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Well that story is just sad, because it means the principle/research-oriented company structure they set up utterly failed in the face of profit motives. Clearl

Well that story is just sad, because it means the principle/research-oriented company structure they set up utterly failed in the face of profit motives. Clearly Altman was not dissuaded from doing things the power structure didn't want him to do.

EMIRELADERO 3y ago
What? We don't know what will happen, as the whole thing hasn't finished yet. Nobody can say for sure which side will "win" the "fight", or if there will be any winners at all.
- brucethemoose2 3y ago
  If Altman is rehired its a total capitulation. If he's not, and literally all the other employees come back, its still a failure of the power structure that already happened. The threat of firing the CEO of the for-profit arm is supposed to be a unused threat, like a nuclear weapon.
  - EMIRELADERO 3y ago
    So what happens when the Altman and the board's views are concluded to be completely incompatible? How do you fix that clash without one side giving up?
    - brucethemoose2 3y ago
      > So what happens when the Altman and the board's views are concluded to be completely incompatible? He gets fired. Thats the enforcement mechanism. Hence if he comes back, that indicates the board essentially "agrees" with Altman's positions now, however much Altman and the board's positions have shifted.
stevefan1999 3y ago
In today's world, capitalism, or more like human hubris and greed for the desire of ever-growing process, always prevail in the end, no matter how venerate and honorable your initial goals would be
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  It’s nice to have this modern clear example now to point to though.
- tootie 3y ago
  "In today's world, capitalism" Capitalism is the modern avenue for channeling greed but the greed and hubris part is universal to all of human history.
  - fuzzfactor 3y ago
    >the greed and hubris part is universal to all of human history. Yes, but when you think about it that still does not mean that it's "human nature". Just the opposite, it's really just inhuman nature still lingering since the dawn of man, who haven't quite made enough progress beyond the lower life forms. Yet. Maybe a thinking machine will teach us a thing or two, back in 1969 this was dramatized in the movie 2001 where the computer was not as humane as it could have been since it was too much like some real people.
- IAmGraydon 3y ago
  Humans have been humans for far longer than “in today’s world”. We just have the tools now to more efficiently amplify all of our worst qualities.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    And our best qualities ? I’m a pretty pessimistic person but I mean common ? Overall the world is fairly sweet.
    - 3y ago

EMIRELADERO 3y ago

What? We don't know what will happen, as the whole thing hasn't finished yet. Nobody can say for sure which side will "win" the "fight", or if there will be any winners at all.

brucethemoose2 3y ago
If Altman is rehired its a total capitulation. If he's not, and literally all the other employees come back, its still a failure of the power structure that already happened. The threat of firing the CEO of the for-profit arm is supposed to be a unused threat, like a nuclear weapon.
- EMIRELADERO 3y ago
  So what happens when the Altman and the board's views are concluded to be completely incompatible? How do you fix that clash without one side giving up?
  - brucethemoose2 3y ago
    > So what happens when the Altman and the board's views are concluded to be completely incompatible? He gets fired. Thats the enforcement mechanism. Hence if he comes back, that indicates the board essentially "agrees" with Altman's positions now, however much Altman and the board's positions have shifted.

stevefan1999 3y ago

In today's world, capitalism, or more like human hubris and greed for the desire of ever-growing process, always prevail in the end, no matter how venerate and honorable your initial goals would be

nickthegreek 3y ago
It’s nice to have this modern clear example now to point to though.
tootie 3y ago
"In today's world, capitalism" Capitalism is the modern avenue for channeling greed but the greed and hubris part is universal to all of human history.
- fuzzfactor 3y ago
  >the greed and hubris part is universal to all of human history. Yes, but when you think about it that still does not mean that it's "human nature". Just the opposite, it's really just inhuman nature still lingering since the dawn of man, who haven't quite made enough progress beyond the lower life forms. Yet. Maybe a thinking machine will teach us a thing or two, back in 1969 this was dramatized in the movie 2001 where the computer was not as humane as it could have been since it was too much like some real people.
IAmGraydon 3y ago
Humans have been humans for far longer than “in today’s world”. We just have the tools now to more efficiently amplify all of our worst qualities.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  And our best qualities ? I’m a pretty pessimistic person but I mean common ? Overall the world is fairly sweet.
  - 3y ago