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I’ve seen nothing that indicates this is actually occurring other than rumor laced leaks to tech media. I will wager $20 Altman is the confidential source and t

I’ve seen nothing that indicates this is actually occurring other than rumor laced leaks to tech media. I will wager $20 Altman is the confidential source and the OpenAI board is spending Sunday with their family getting ready for work next week.

voisin 3y ago
If the OpenAI board didn’t spend the entire weekend in a board room figuring out what to do to salvage the organization, then they are a dimwitted as they look right now. It’s one thing to not have to ask your major benefactors for input when you fire your CEO. It’s another to not do it and expect any further investment, ever. They should be in full on crisis mode and be trying to figure out how to get stakeholders back on board after so publicly slapping them in the face.
- manyoso 3y ago
  "Salvage the organization" They have one of the most valuable products in tech. They have a binding agreement with Microsoft and MS needs OpenAI more than the other way around. They have a dedicated set of researchers who have not pledged to leave and ultimatums have come and gone without mass resignations. They fired their CEO. It happens. They aren't trying to "salvage" anything. Yes, the for-profit subsidiary investors are probably upset, but the major shareholder is the non-profit who... and this is important... is not beholden to the other for-profit investors!
  - eightysixfour 3y ago
    > They have a binding agreement with Microsoft. You think any agreement with Microsoft doesn’t have outs?
    - fnordpiglet 3y ago
      Their contract? Yes. Their lack of any technical innovations or competing AI product? No.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  I don’t fear for OpenAIs future without Altman. I don’t fear they could survive just fine without Microsoft, but it’s unclear the other way around is true. What do people use azure for other than exchange? How much have they gone long bing chat? Do you really think there aren’t deep pockets to back OpenAI? I’d also note OpenAI is profitable as is.
- jrflowers 3y ago
  >If the OpenAI board didn’t spend the entire weekend in a board room figuring out what to do to salvage the organization, then they are a dimwitted as they look right now. Imagine what sort of rubes would fire an employee and then go home afterward. What sort of charity organization doesn’t spend the weekend feverishly F5ing Bloomberg tweets about how disappointed the fired guy is about the situation? These are exactly the sort of dimwits that would dump somebody and then like, not dedicate their time responding to every text from their exes buddies. Rookie shit.
sigmar 3y ago
>I’ve seen nothing that indicates this is actually occurring other than rumor laced leaks to tech media. Altman was posting that he's at openai. So, while media reports might be posturing/inaccurate, it's very likely there's some negotiating going on. https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  Taking an insinuating selfie with a guest badge isn’t a huge thing to hang a hat on. The implications are fairly self serving.
- Keyframe 3y ago
  Either that or picking up belongings.
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jcranmer 3y ago
> I will wager $20 Altman is the confidential source and the OpenAI board is spending Sunday with their family getting ready for work next week. I'm not going to say it's specifically Altman himself that's the source, but it's been pretty clear to me that all of the sources have been from pro-Altman sources, and in many cases seem pretty clearly directed to increase pressure on the board to accept a counteroffer. Adjusting that for bias... I haven't seen any real indication that the board is actually seriously considering these offers. I'll also note that it raises my eyebrows that there are apparently two consecutive "accept by X or we quit" deadlines that have now apparently blown by... which is a sign of the side currently in the desperately-negotiating position and which one isn't.
- manyoso 3y ago
  Ding ding ding. Threaten mass resignations if the deadline isn't met... deadline goes by... no mass resignations and the world hasn't fallen. Bluff called.

voisin 3y ago

If the OpenAI board didn’t spend the entire weekend in a board room figuring out what to do to salvage the organization, then they are a dimwitted as they look right now. It’s one thing to not have to ask your major benefactors for input when you fire your CEO. It’s another to not do it and expect any further investment, ever. They should be in full on crisis mode and be trying to figure out how to get stakeholders back on board after so publicly slapping them in the face.

manyoso 3y ago
"Salvage the organization" They have one of the most valuable products in tech. They have a binding agreement with Microsoft and MS needs OpenAI more than the other way around. They have a dedicated set of researchers who have not pledged to leave and ultimatums have come and gone without mass resignations. They fired their CEO. It happens. They aren't trying to "salvage" anything. Yes, the for-profit subsidiary investors are probably upset, but the major shareholder is the non-profit who... and this is important... is not beholden to the other for-profit investors!
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  > They have a binding agreement with Microsoft. You think any agreement with Microsoft doesn’t have outs?
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    Their contract? Yes. Their lack of any technical innovations or competing AI product? No.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
I don’t fear for OpenAIs future without Altman. I don’t fear they could survive just fine without Microsoft, but it’s unclear the other way around is true. What do people use azure for other than exchange? How much have they gone long bing chat? Do you really think there aren’t deep pockets to back OpenAI? I’d also note OpenAI is profitable as is.
jrflowers 3y ago
>If the OpenAI board didn’t spend the entire weekend in a board room figuring out what to do to salvage the organization, then they are a dimwitted as they look right now. Imagine what sort of rubes would fire an employee and then go home afterward. What sort of charity organization doesn’t spend the weekend feverishly F5ing Bloomberg tweets about how disappointed the fired guy is about the situation? These are exactly the sort of dimwits that would dump somebody and then like, not dedicate their time responding to every text from their exes buddies. Rookie shit.

sigmar 3y ago

>I’ve seen nothing that indicates this is actually occurring other than rumor laced leaks to tech media. Altman was posting that he's at openai. So, while media reports might be posturing/inaccurate, it's very likely there's some negotiating going on. https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1726345564059832609

fnordpiglet 3y ago
Taking an insinuating selfie with a guest badge isn’t a huge thing to hang a hat on. The implications are fairly self serving.
Keyframe 3y ago
Either that or picking up belongings.

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jcranmer 3y ago

> I will wager $20 Altman is the confidential source and the OpenAI board is spending Sunday with their family getting ready for work next week. I'm not going to say it's specifically Altman himself that's the source, but it's been pretty clear to me that all of the sources have been from pro-Altman sources, and in many cases seem pretty clearly directed to increase pressure on the board to accept a counteroffer. Adjusting that for bias... I haven't seen any real indication that the board is actually seriously considering these offers. I'll also note that it raises my eyebrows that there are apparently two consecutive "accept by X or we quit" deadlines that have now apparently blown by... which is a sign of the side currently in the desperately-negotiating position and which one isn't.

manyoso 3y ago
Ding ding ding. Threaten mass resignations if the deadline isn't met... deadline goes by... no mass resignations and the world hasn't fallen. Bluff called.