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Despite inflation I would say Argentinians still have a relatively high quality of living compared to most other countries in the region. The reason for this is

Despite inflation I would say Argentinians still have a relatively high quality of living compared to most other countries in the region. The reason for this is that the state is still capable of providing decent services to people. Argentinians have decent schools and universities (compared to other countries in the region), the capital has a decent transportation system, they have free healthcare, etc. All of these things are keeping a country that's falling apart still somewhat together and Milei has openly said he's going to do away with all of these. How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? Argentina definitely needs to become more fiscally responsible, but if anything, this shouldn't mean getting rid of their free healthcare and education; that's a difficult equation to put together for sure. But that's why they need responsible leaders capable of truly discerning what matters from what doesn't. I believe Milei is just going to plunge Argentina further into chaos.

slibhb 3y ago
> How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? It's not clear that Argentina can afford the kind of social services you're talking about. Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet, minus a bloody coup and associated political repression. Or maybe Milei will drop the ball.
- surgical_fire 3y ago
  > Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. Has this ever worked anywhere to take an empoverished country out of their miserable situation? Also, this completely ignores the context of the region. South American history is littered with examples of politicians that promised easy solutions to deep, complex issues.
  - slibhb 3y ago
    China, Bangladesh, India, and Chile come to mind. I don't know if Milei will succeed but his recipe for success (liberalization) is correct. No one is claiming that it's easy.
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      Argentina has generally higher income and better standards of living than China during the 80s, India and Bangladesh later on. It cannot follow the same path of industrialization based off extremely cheap labor, nor it has the population to pull that trick. And I really hope you are not using Chile under Pinochet as a good example of anything.
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- jerojero 3y ago
  Funny you mention Chile, considering it had a huge social uprising in 2019 that was precisely a consequence of the political and economic measures that have been left as Pinochet's legacy. A lot of the policies we implement today won't bloom until 10, 20 years in the future. If you make education worse today; you won't notice tomorrow. You'll start noticing in a generation. And a big part of Chile's "economic miracle" can be traced to China's development (as China is actually Chile's biggest economic partner) [1]. Chile is now a days fully trapped with an economy that does nothing but extract resources without any kind of development at all. The so called middle-income trap. And this is generating huge friction in the country. If it all goes well, I don't hope for Argentina to become more like Chile; as I believe Chile is on a downward spiral (much like most of the rest of the region). What they should be looking at are economic models similar to what's happening in Asia. Chile is not a good example to follow. Also, do people not know who Milei is? He's openly in favor of organ-selling and also considers the selling of children a possibility. He literally has a medium on hire that he uses to communicate with his deceased dog (whom he has cloned) and believes that his sister is the literal Messiah. This is *not* someone you would want running any country. He's clinically insane and I'm not exaggerating. [1] https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/pinochets-economic-policy-is-vastly https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/pinochets-economic-policy-is-v...
  - slibhb 3y ago
    You're clearly unable to have a rational conversation about this. Sale of children/organs is not on the table. Dollarization and liberalization might be. We'll see.
- CapstanRoller 3y ago
  >If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet Pinochet was a fascist. Do you seriously feel okay endorsing his aims and goals?

slibhb 3y ago

> How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? It's not clear that Argentina can afford the kind of social services you're talking about. Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet, minus a bloody coup and associated political repression. Or maybe Milei will drop the ball.

surgical_fire 3y ago
> Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. Has this ever worked anywhere to take an empoverished country out of their miserable situation? Also, this completely ignores the context of the region. South American history is littered with examples of politicians that promised easy solutions to deep, complex issues.
- slibhb 3y ago
  China, Bangladesh, India, and Chile come to mind. I don't know if Milei will succeed but his recipe for success (liberalization) is correct. No one is claiming that it's easy.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    Argentina has generally higher income and better standards of living than China during the 80s, India and Bangladesh later on. It cannot follow the same path of industrialization based off extremely cheap labor, nor it has the population to pull that trick. And I really hope you are not using Chile under Pinochet as a good example of anything.
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jerojero 3y ago
Funny you mention Chile, considering it had a huge social uprising in 2019 that was precisely a consequence of the political and economic measures that have been left as Pinochet's legacy. A lot of the policies we implement today won't bloom until 10, 20 years in the future. If you make education worse today; you won't notice tomorrow. You'll start noticing in a generation. And a big part of Chile's "economic miracle" can be traced to China's development (as China is actually Chile's biggest economic partner) [1]. Chile is now a days fully trapped with an economy that does nothing but extract resources without any kind of development at all. The so called middle-income trap. And this is generating huge friction in the country. If it all goes well, I don't hope for Argentina to become more like Chile; as I believe Chile is on a downward spiral (much like most of the rest of the region). What they should be looking at are economic models similar to what's happening in Asia. Chile is not a good example to follow. Also, do people not know who Milei is? He's openly in favor of organ-selling and also considers the selling of children a possibility. He literally has a medium on hire that he uses to communicate with his deceased dog (whom he has cloned) and believes that his sister is the literal Messiah. This is *not* someone you would want running any country. He's clinically insane and I'm not exaggerating. [1] https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/pinochets-economic-policy-is-vastly https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/pinochets-economic-policy-is-v...
- slibhb 3y ago
  You're clearly unable to have a rational conversation about this. Sale of children/organs is not on the table. Dollarization and liberalization might be. We'll see.
CapstanRoller 3y ago
>If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet Pinochet was a fascist. Do you seriously feel okay endorsing his aims and goals?