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It's a wrecking ball. These far right politicians always start and end the same way.

s1gnp0st 3y ago
You're kidding, surely. Argentina was long ago wrecked by Peronism. What exactly is left to wreck? I hope he succeeds where others failed.
- notfromhere 3y ago
  Have you looked into his policies at all?
  - s1gnp0st 3y ago
    Burn the state to the ground and salt the earth where it stood.
- jowea 3y ago
  > What exactly is left to wreck? Wikipedia says Argentina is currently 47th on the HDI scale and 66th on the GDP (PPP) Per Capita. Failed currency or not it can get a lot worse. Not saying it will or will not, just that objectively Argentina isn't that bad even with the semi-permanent crisis.
- jerojero 3y ago
  Despite inflation I would say Argentinians still have a relatively high quality of living compared to most other countries in the region. The reason for this is that the state is still capable of providing decent services to people. Argentinians have decent schools and universities (compared to other countries in the region), the capital has a decent transportation system, they have free healthcare, etc. All of these things are keeping a country that's falling apart still somewhat together and Milei has openly said he's going to do away with all of these. How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? Argentina definitely needs to become more fiscally responsible, but if anything, this shouldn't mean getting rid of their free healthcare and education; that's a difficult equation to put together for sure. But that's why they need responsible leaders capable of truly discerning what matters from what doesn't. I believe Milei is just going to plunge Argentina further into chaos.
  - slibhb 3y ago
    > How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? It's not clear that Argentina can afford the kind of social services you're talking about. Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet, minus a bloody coup and associated political repression. Or maybe Milei will drop the ball.
    - surgical_fire 3y ago
      > Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. Has this ever worked anywhere to take an empoverished country out of their miserable situation? Also, this completely ignores the context of the region. South American history is littered with examples of politicians that promised easy solutions to deep, complex issues.
      - slibhb 3y ago
        China, Bangladesh, India, and Chile come to mind. I don't know if Milei will succeed but his recipe for success (liberalization) is correct. No one is claiming that it's easy.
        surgical_fire 3y ago
        Argentina has generally higher income and better standards of living than China during the 80s, India and Bangladesh later on. It cannot follow the same path of industrialization based off extremely cheap labor, nor it has the population to pull that trick. And I really hope you are not using Chile under Pinochet as a good example of anything.
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elforce002 3y ago
I'm not Argentinian but are you following Argentina's economy? 140% inflation with +40% poverty, etc.. will make any voter vote for him.
- notfromhere 3y ago
  Slicing the state to zero and instating hard right social policies is not going to fix anything. Argentina needs a steady hand at the wheel, not this nut job.
  - megaman821 3y ago
    Slicing the state to zero would definitely decrease inflation, but at tremendous cost to citizen wellbeing. It is not like print so much money that groceries cost more in the evening than they did in the morning is working out well for the people either.
    - zx8080 3y ago
      > Slicing the state to zero would definitely decrease inflation Slicing the state to zero as part of the shock therapy economics did not stop inflation nor it helped recesdion in Eastern European ex-Soviet countries in 1990s.
    - Mystery-Machine 3y ago
      Who said slicing the state to zero? Why do you have to go to the extremes? Yes, Milei said he'll cut down on the number of ministries (currently 18) to 8. So how is that zero?
mikrotikker 3y ago
How is he far right, everything I've seen calls him libertarian.
- Mystery-Machine 3y ago
  When you swear on national TV and insult people, you're immediately a far right fascist. Very easy to become far right fascist these days with people who have no clue what the difference is between being far right and being libertarian.
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You're kidding, surely. Argentina was long ago wrecked by Peronism. What exactly is left to wreck? I hope he succeeds where others failed.

notfromhere 3y ago
Have you looked into his policies at all?
- s1gnp0st 3y ago
  Burn the state to the ground and salt the earth where it stood.
jowea 3y ago
> What exactly is left to wreck? Wikipedia says Argentina is currently 47th on the HDI scale and 66th on the GDP (PPP) Per Capita. Failed currency or not it can get a lot worse. Not saying it will or will not, just that objectively Argentina isn't that bad even with the semi-permanent crisis.
jerojero 3y ago
Despite inflation I would say Argentinians still have a relatively high quality of living compared to most other countries in the region. The reason for this is that the state is still capable of providing decent services to people. Argentinians have decent schools and universities (compared to other countries in the region), the capital has a decent transportation system, they have free healthcare, etc. All of these things are keeping a country that's falling apart still somewhat together and Milei has openly said he's going to do away with all of these. How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? Argentina definitely needs to become more fiscally responsible, but if anything, this shouldn't mean getting rid of their free healthcare and education; that's a difficult equation to put together for sure. But that's why they need responsible leaders capable of truly discerning what matters from what doesn't. I believe Milei is just going to plunge Argentina further into chaos.
- slibhb 3y ago
  > How is that going to improve the situation in Argentina? I'm not sure slashing public education and healthcare is good for the country. People are extremely poor, what are they going to do when they can no longer afford medical care, just die? It's not clear that Argentina can afford the kind of social services you're talking about. Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. If all goes well, perhaps in the future we'll be able to compare this transition to Chile under Pinochet, minus a bloody coup and associated political repression. Or maybe Milei will drop the ball.
  - surgical_fire 3y ago
    > Liberalization will be painful but then things will get better. Has this ever worked anywhere to take an empoverished country out of their miserable situation? Also, this completely ignores the context of the region. South American history is littered with examples of politicians that promised easy solutions to deep, complex issues.
    - slibhb 3y ago
      China, Bangladesh, India, and Chile come to mind. I don't know if Milei will succeed but his recipe for success (liberalization) is correct. No one is claiming that it's easy.
      - surgical_fire 3y ago
        Argentina has generally higher income and better standards of living than China during the 80s, India and Bangladesh later on. It cannot follow the same path of industrialization based off extremely cheap labor, nor it has the population to pull that trick. And I really hope you are not using Chile under Pinochet as a good example of anything.
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elforce002 3y ago

I'm not Argentinian but are you following Argentina's economy? 140% inflation with +40% poverty, etc.. will make any voter vote for him.

notfromhere 3y ago
Slicing the state to zero and instating hard right social policies is not going to fix anything. Argentina needs a steady hand at the wheel, not this nut job.
- megaman821 3y ago
  Slicing the state to zero would definitely decrease inflation, but at tremendous cost to citizen wellbeing. It is not like print so much money that groceries cost more in the evening than they did in the morning is working out well for the people either.
  - zx8080 3y ago
    > Slicing the state to zero would definitely decrease inflation Slicing the state to zero as part of the shock therapy economics did not stop inflation nor it helped recesdion in Eastern European ex-Soviet countries in 1990s.
  - Mystery-Machine 3y ago
    Who said slicing the state to zero? Why do you have to go to the extremes? Yes, Milei said he'll cut down on the number of ministries (currently 18) to 8. So how is that zero?

mikrotikker 3y ago

How is he far right, everything I've seen calls him libertarian.

Mystery-Machine 3y ago
When you swear on national TV and insult people, you're immediately a far right fascist. Very easy to become far right fascist these days with people who have no clue what the difference is between being far right and being libertarian.
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