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>>been completely and utterly discredited by the accomplishments of Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security, the ACA. I would not consider any of those programs

>>been completely and utterly discredited by the accomplishments of Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security, the ACA. I would not consider any of those programs a success, Social Security is going bankrupt and combined with the national debt pose a HUGE economic problem for the US over the next decade or 2 Medicare/Medicaid only survives by providers over charging private parties to make up for the terrible reimbursement rates to providers, in sort most workers in the US are charged 2x for medicare, once as a payroll tax, and then again by massive insurance premiums to subsidize medicare/Medicaid ACA I am still amazed at the mental gymnastics that the court used to rationalized that as constitutional at all, but aside from that there is very little to be proud of in that law, it was designed to make insurance more expensive and less responsive as a prelude to Single Payer. The designers of it wanted to collapse insurance to make Single payer the only viable option. >>Right, this allows citizens to sue. Contrary to what you claimed. Incorrect again, I clearly stated that the government has immunity unless it allows you to sue them, nothing in the Federal Tort Claims Act would allow for a tort claim for what we are discussing here, the Federal Tort Claims Act has a very narrow and limited circumstance where it can be used to file a case against the federal government

crazygringo 3y ago
> Social Security is going bankrupt and combined with the national debt pose a HUGE economic problem for the US over the next decade or 2 Funny how conservatives have been saying that for many decades now. Everyone was yelling about it back at the start of the 1980's, how it would never make it to the year 2000. Yet... it hasn't gone bankrupt yet, and indeed shows zero signs of doing so. And indeed, pretty much all developed democracies manage something like it, and it goes just fine. And the debt continues to be a perfectly manageable amount relative to GDP, which is the only thing that actually matters. And the ACA has been a godsend to many people I know, people who otherwise couldn't get private health insurance at all. There's an incredible amount to be proud of. Not to mention the ACA has worked to rein in health care costs, not increase them -- though sadly it hasn't been able to do enough.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  Good thing I am not conservative, and anyone with a basic understanding of economics and demographics understands that the current model is not sustainable, this idea that "well people having been saying it would collapse for awhile now" means it will never happen is pretty dense, some how I bet you would reject the same position if I were to apply to say Climate Change? >>all developed democracies manage something like it, and it goes just fine. And the debt continues to be a perfectly manageable amount relative to GDP, which is the only thing that actually matters. Soo we do not have an economic crisis, high inflation, housing prices out of control, and various other economic problems? or do you believe all of that is disconnected from government spending? Government needs to spend more to solve those problems? is that your solution/?

crazygringo 3y ago

> Social Security is going bankrupt and combined with the national debt pose a HUGE economic problem for the US over the next decade or 2 Funny how conservatives have been saying that for many decades now. Everyone was yelling about it back at the start of the 1980's, how it would never make it to the year 2000. Yet... it hasn't gone bankrupt yet, and indeed shows zero signs of doing so. And indeed, pretty much all developed democracies manage something like it, and it goes just fine. And the debt continues to be a perfectly manageable amount relative to GDP, which is the only thing that actually matters. And the ACA has been a godsend to many people I know, people who otherwise couldn't get private health insurance at all. There's an incredible amount to be proud of. Not to mention the ACA has worked to rein in health care costs, not increase them -- though sadly it hasn't been able to do enough.

phpisthebest 3y ago
Good thing I am not conservative, and anyone with a basic understanding of economics and demographics understands that the current model is not sustainable, this idea that "well people having been saying it would collapse for awhile now" means it will never happen is pretty dense, some how I bet you would reject the same position if I were to apply to say Climate Change? >>all developed democracies manage something like it, and it goes just fine. And the debt continues to be a perfectly manageable amount relative to GDP, which is the only thing that actually matters. Soo we do not have an economic crisis, high inflation, housing prices out of control, and various other economic problems? or do you believe all of that is disconnected from government spending? Government needs to spend more to solve those problems? is that your solution/?