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I suspect you haven't even begun to think your comment out. The idea that someone who does not presumably know the language, culture, or even where all the lan

by pempem 3y ago

I suspect you haven't even begun to think your comment out. The idea that someone who does not presumably know the language, culture, or even where all the landmarks of a city/nation are suddenly start running organized crime is deeply mistaken and does not even track with the most well-known syndicates such as the mafia (1920s in NY compared to 1880s enmasse arrival of Italians) or cartels ("homegrown"). Look deeper and you would see these syndicates grew because there were purposefully and one might argued, promoted by semi-facist types or those who would get "cancelled" today, preventing reasonable opportunities from being provided to these populations. Even moreso, you might see that much of our economy depends on deeply underpaid labor continuously running agriculture and service sectors and now I would argue even tech, with the danger of being deported or not getting a visa hanging over their actions.

pempem 3y ago
Some other notes: This graph, in the financial times article about immigration, indicates 5. 5 deaths per million. The growth is horrible and yet the reality is nothing like the one being lived in by the US. Most hackernews posters often post about gun violence in the US as being something necessary to address and also simultaneously something that does not impact their day to day decisions around errands like the grocery or activities like music festivals or conferences. Just to put things in perspective, deaths by firearm are around 60 per million in the US, twelve times the Swedish figure. Further, as every greying country attempts to use immigration to grow a declining population, some flavor of this comment will negatively impact their efforts: “Swedes make you feel foreign even when you have the passport, even my kids who were born here,” he says. “They blame immigrants for everything. But this gang violence affects me, my family, my friends as well."
- noxer 3y ago
  I dont know where you got the statics from but these do not seem to be comparable values. It most like includes accidents and suicides which have entirely different factors than gun violence and for obvious reason are more likely to be committed with a gun if its easier to get a gun legal. Overall there is however no correlation with more suicide with better firearm access. Suicide attempts/surviving rates can be slightly lower (for obvious reasons). Either way none of these should matter since suicide isn't gun violence.
whearyou 3y ago
Nice zinger. That was a lot of words. One question - are there any patterns with who is involved in this gang violence?

by pempem 3y ago

pempem 3y ago

Some other notes: This graph, in the financial times article about immigration, indicates 5. 5 deaths per million. The growth is horrible and yet the reality is nothing like the one being lived in by the US. Most hackernews posters often post about gun violence in the US as being something necessary to address and also simultaneously something that does not impact their day to day decisions around errands like the grocery or activities like music festivals or conferences. Just to put things in perspective, deaths by firearm are around 60 per million in the US, twelve times the Swedish figure. Further, as every greying country attempts to use immigration to grow a declining population, some flavor of this comment will negatively impact their efforts: “Swedes make you feel foreign even when you have the passport, even my kids who were born here,” he says. “They blame immigrants for everything. But this gang violence affects me, my family, my friends as well."

noxer 3y ago
I dont know where you got the statics from but these do not seem to be comparable values. It most like includes accidents and suicides which have entirely different factors than gun violence and for obvious reason are more likely to be committed with a gun if its easier to get a gun legal. Overall there is however no correlation with more suicide with better firearm access. Suicide attempts/surviving rates can be slightly lower (for obvious reasons). Either way none of these should matter since suicide isn't gun violence.

whearyou 3y ago

Nice zinger. That was a lot of words. One question - are there any patterns with who is involved in this gang violence?