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Yeah, MS leaving is the absolute end of OpenAI (and for all practical purposes the end of Ilya's career). It's Satya's call now, he's not happy and wants @sama

Yeah, MS leaving is the absolute end of OpenAI (and for all practical purposes the end of Ilya's career). It's Satya's call now, he's not happy and wants @sama back. Next week is going to be interesting!

jug 3y ago
MS leaving would also be a disaster for subsequent development of Bing, Windows Copilot, Office Copilot, Teams AI, various strategically important Azure service like Semantic Search etc. They’ve gone all in on OpenAI LLM’s, support nothing else and have coupled all their AI to them.
- mannerheim 3y ago
  > Microsoft has certain rights to OpenAI’s intellectual property so if their relationship were to break down, Microsoft would still be able to run OpenAI’s current models on its servers. https://archive.is/jUJEH https://archive.is/jUJEH
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    And in exchange for those rights, OpenAI has certain rights to compute credits. Microsoft doesn't get to break contract and keep what they got out of the deal while ceasing to supply what provided as part of the deal. That's called theft.
    - blackoil 3y ago
      Sure, you'll prove that out in a court over this week?
      - lucubratory 3y ago
        Microsoft is an enterprise company first. They're not going to break contract with a business.
- mr_toad 3y ago
  I’d love to know what the amortisation period looks like for an LLM.
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moralestapia 3y ago
Update: Satya got what he wanted, @sama joins MS to create pretty much a spin-off startup there, OpenAI on suicide watch with employees leaving, absolutely no new funding ever and a just-appointed CEO that wants to "pause" the company, lol. Right all along!
kranke155 3y ago
What a wild idea. You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Someone somewhere will give him money. We’re in an arms race. Ilya is Otto Hahn.
- JoeCortopassi 3y ago
  OpenAI will absolutely be able to raise money again, but it will likely never be on the same scale and will also likely have some serious safeguards in the contract language. Whether you agree with investors agreeing with firing Sam or not, future investors will absolutely be nervous about sinking serious money in a company that split it's board without talking to key partners/investors first
- moralestapia 3y ago
  Update after a day: Whoops, there goes your Otto Hahn, lol!
  - kranke155 3y ago
    Otto Hahn is now saying he is very sorry and he was manipulated by the board. The plot continues.
- moralestapia 3y ago
  Are you even following this? >You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Plenty of those actually left already ... Ilya is good but is one of many, and by many I mean there's 100s of equally capable researchers, many of those with more flexible morals. Note: I'm being generous to Ilya and taking him at face value on being the self-proclaimed AI messiah that is keeping us from the destruction of the world. Thanks Ilya, but money is money and investors would definitely prefer to put their money in a for-profit than a non-profit. This is even more true after this whole fiasco.
  - malfist 3y ago
    Plenty haven't left. Depending on which article you read it's between 3 and 5. Which is nothing for a company the size of OpenAI
SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? You don’t think they’re kicking themselves that Microsoft got the deal?
- pyb 3y ago
  Or, even more likely, Apple.
  - unix_fan 3y ago
    They would want a lot of control over the company
- moralestapia 3y ago
  >Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? Because they already do well on their own, Meta is doing exceptionally well actually. It's better business for them if OpenAI just burns into the ground and leaves the cake up for grabs again. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that. The only thing that has sent Google into "Code Red" in it's whole history has been OpenAI. They'd love to see it evaporate, and now they're not even spending a dime!
  - fzzzy 3y ago
    This isn't true, Facebook put google into code red and they wasted years on Google+.
    - moralestapia 3y ago
      Google+ was an accessory thing. It was like "ye, we should also have a social network" and it didn't work and then what happened to them? Literally nothing, source: its stock. OpenAI is a different beast, they (or some LLM) could displace Google as the main provider of information to the world. You just don't know what you're talking about, lol. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/01/23/how-chatgpt-suddenly-became-googles-code-red-prompting-return-of-page-and-brin/?sh=30378ba75977 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/01/23/how-chat...

jug 3y ago

MS leaving would also be a disaster for subsequent development of Bing, Windows Copilot, Office Copilot, Teams AI, various strategically important Azure service like Semantic Search etc. They’ve gone all in on OpenAI LLM’s, support nothing else and have coupled all their AI to them.

mannerheim 3y ago
> Microsoft has certain rights to OpenAI’s intellectual property so if their relationship were to break down, Microsoft would still be able to run OpenAI’s current models on its servers. https://archive.is/jUJEH https://archive.is/jUJEH
- lucubratory 3y ago
  And in exchange for those rights, OpenAI has certain rights to compute credits. Microsoft doesn't get to break contract and keep what they got out of the deal while ceasing to supply what provided as part of the deal. That's called theft.
  - blackoil 3y ago
    Sure, you'll prove that out in a court over this week?
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      Microsoft is an enterprise company first. They're not going to break contract with a business.
mr_toad 3y ago
I’d love to know what the amortisation period looks like for an LLM.

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moralestapia 3y ago

Update: Satya got what he wanted, @sama joins MS to create pretty much a spin-off startup there, OpenAI on suicide watch with employees leaving, absolutely no new funding ever and a just-appointed CEO that wants to "pause" the company, lol. Right all along!

kranke155 3y ago

What a wild idea. You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Someone somewhere will give him money. We’re in an arms race. Ilya is Otto Hahn.

JoeCortopassi 3y ago
OpenAI will absolutely be able to raise money again, but it will likely never be on the same scale and will also likely have some serious safeguards in the contract language. Whether you agree with investors agreeing with firing Sam or not, future investors will absolutely be nervous about sinking serious money in a company that split it's board without talking to key partners/investors first
moralestapia 3y ago
Update after a day: Whoops, there goes your Otto Hahn, lol!
- kranke155 3y ago
  Otto Hahn is now saying he is very sorry and he was manipulated by the board. The plot continues.
moralestapia 3y ago
Are you even following this? >You actually think of the most esteemed AI researchers will have trouble finding funding after this? Plenty of those actually left already ... Ilya is good but is one of many, and by many I mean there's 100s of equally capable researchers, many of those with more flexible morals. Note: I'm being generous to Ilya and taking him at face value on being the self-proclaimed AI messiah that is keeping us from the destruction of the world. Thanks Ilya, but money is money and investors would definitely prefer to put their money in a for-profit than a non-profit. This is even more true after this whole fiasco.
- malfist 3y ago
  Plenty haven't left. Depending on which article you read it's between 3 and 5. Which is nothing for a company the size of OpenAI

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? You don’t think they’re kicking themselves that Microsoft got the deal?

pyb 3y ago
Or, even more likely, Apple.
- unix_fan 3y ago
  They would want a lot of control over the company
moralestapia 3y ago
>Why would I not believe that Meta or Google or anyone really come in or replace Microsoft? Because they already do well on their own, Meta is doing exceptionally well actually. It's better business for them if OpenAI just burns into the ground and leaves the cake up for grabs again. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to see that. The only thing that has sent Google into "Code Red" in it's whole history has been OpenAI. They'd love to see it evaporate, and now they're not even spending a dime!
- fzzzy 3y ago
  This isn't true, Facebook put google into code red and they wasted years on Google+.
  - moralestapia 3y ago
    Google+ was an accessory thing. It was like "ye, we should also have a social network" and it didn't work and then what happened to them? Literally nothing, source: its stock. OpenAI is a different beast, they (or some LLM) could displace Google as the main provider of information to the world. You just don't know what you're talking about, lol. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/01/23/how-chatgpt-suddenly-became-googles-code-red-prompting-return-of-page-and-brin/?sh=30378ba75977 https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidphelan/2023/01/23/how-chat...