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"Bret Taylor, the former co-CEO of Salesforce Inc., will be on the new board, several people said. Another possible addition is an executive from Redmond, Washi

"Bret Taylor, the former co-CEO of Salesforce Inc., will be on the new board, several people said. Another possible addition is an executive from Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft, OpenAI’s largest shareholder — but Microsoft hasn’t decided whether it wants board representation, some people said." hah, Microsoft will be in control from here on out whether they have someone technically on the board or not. They did the embrace and extend now we're on to extinguish.

cedws 3y ago
AI doomers will say this is the beginning of the end.
- kromem 3y ago
  Not the beginning of the end of humanity. But maybe the beginning of the end of OpenAI. A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet. After the news Friday and looking more at how Ilya sees the future of neural networks, I actually thought there's a decent chance OpenAI might correct course to continue to lead. If it becomes too productized under a strengthened Altman, it's back on the list of companies building into their own obsolescence. The right way to the future is adapting alignment to the increasing complexity of the model. It's not just about 'safety' but about performance and avoiding Goodhart's Law. The way all major players, OpenAI included, are handling that step is by carrying forward the techniques that were appropriate for less complex models. Which is a huge step back from the approach reflected very early on pre-release for GPT-4's chat model. An approach that seemed to reflect Ilya's vision. As long as OpenAI keeps fine tuning to try to meet the low hanging fruit product demand they've created and screwing up their pretrained model on measures that haven't become the industry target, they aren't going to be competitive against yet to exist companies that don't take such naive approaches with the fine tuning step. Right now they have an advantage in Ilya being ahead of the trend, but if Altman returning is at the cost of Ilya's influence, they are going to continue to dig their long term grave in the pursuit of short term success.
  - resource0x 3y ago
    > A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet. I bet that in 5 years, we won't be talking about AI at all. Whatever can be squeezed from current technologies, will be squeezed much sooner. Real AI will eventually be based on totally different principles. Maybe by utilizing the natural intelligence of living organisms (e.g. bacteria).
    - padolsey 3y ago
      What makes you so sure? It feels like a GPT-5/6, with enough inner feedback loops and system-calling capability will be scarily capable.
    - alasdair_ 3y ago
      I think you are completely wrong here. Bacteria are not going to beat a sufficiently scaled AI working at the speed of light. They are just too slow.
itchy_spider44 3y ago
Don't need to cooperate with other board members when you can just start declining their Venmo requests
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toyg 3y ago
What? EEE is meant for competitors, OpenAI is very much not a competitor - they're effectively Microsoft's outsourced R&D.
- chasd00 3y ago
  EEE is for anything between Microsoft and its goals. period. This "board" is now in between Microsoft and its goals.
riffic 3y ago
oh I recognize Taylor, he was on the former Twitter, Inc. board.
- naveen99 3y ago
  Oh man, Bret knows how’s to use the power of the board. He successfully twisted Elon’s arm into buying twitter. If the board is choosing him, sounds like they are going all oracle on microsoft / google again , Java style. If Sam beats Ilya + Bret, I will be even more impressed than I already am. Can’t wait for Matt Levine’s play by play if they hire the same legal team Bret used in the last days of twitter. Or it’ll be over in 2 hrs and Sam will win now. Let’s see.
  - chucke1992 3y ago
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- anonfromsomewhe 3y ago
  He was also in upper level in FB and had a work in Google. I expect him to be part in Amazon and Apple in this decade. He touchhes every big company, lol
dontupvoteme 3y ago
Salesforce is part of the microsoft borg now too?
riazrizvi 3y ago
Hard to see how embrace, extend, extinguish fits here. There's no standards-based app ecosystem that depends on some community standard for interplay that they can break by getting market-wide adoption of their proprietary standard. ChatGPT's IO is natural language text prompts/answers. Can MS really create a proprietary extension to natural language, that the world recognizes?
- estebarb 3y ago
  It seems that some people embraced the concept of "embrace, extend, extinguish", and now they are extending it too far. Eventually the usage of the phrase will be so diluted that it will become extinguished.

cedws 3y ago

AI doomers will say this is the beginning of the end.

kromem 3y ago
Not the beginning of the end of humanity. But maybe the beginning of the end of OpenAI. A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet. After the news Friday and looking more at how Ilya sees the future of neural networks, I actually thought there's a decent chance OpenAI might correct course to continue to lead. If it becomes too productized under a strengthened Altman, it's back on the list of companies building into their own obsolescence. The right way to the future is adapting alignment to the increasing complexity of the model. It's not just about 'safety' but about performance and avoiding Goodhart's Law. The way all major players, OpenAI included, are handling that step is by carrying forward the techniques that were appropriate for less complex models. Which is a huge step back from the approach reflected very early on pre-release for GPT-4's chat model. An approach that seemed to reflect Ilya's vision. As long as OpenAI keeps fine tuning to try to meet the low hanging fruit product demand they've created and screwing up their pretrained model on measures that haven't become the industry target, they aren't going to be competitive against yet to exist companies that don't take such naive approaches with the fine tuning step. Right now they have an advantage in Ilya being ahead of the trend, but if Altman returning is at the cost of Ilya's influence, they are going to continue to dig their long term grave in the pursuit of short term success.
- resource0x 3y ago
  > A week ago I was saying that it's likely the leading AI company in 5 years time hasn't been founded yet. I bet that in 5 years, we won't be talking about AI at all. Whatever can be squeezed from current technologies, will be squeezed much sooner. Real AI will eventually be based on totally different principles. Maybe by utilizing the natural intelligence of living organisms (e.g. bacteria).
  - padolsey 3y ago
    What makes you so sure? It feels like a GPT-5/6, with enough inner feedback loops and system-calling capability will be scarily capable.
  - alasdair_ 3y ago
    I think you are completely wrong here. Bacteria are not going to beat a sufficiently scaled AI working at the speed of light. They are just too slow.

itchy_spider44 3y ago

Don't need to cooperate with other board members when you can just start declining their Venmo requests

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toyg 3y ago

What? EEE is meant for competitors, OpenAI is very much not a competitor - they're effectively Microsoft's outsourced R&D.

chasd00 3y ago
EEE is for anything between Microsoft and its goals. period. This "board" is now in between Microsoft and its goals.

riffic 3y ago

oh I recognize Taylor, he was on the former Twitter, Inc. board.

naveen99 3y ago
Oh man, Bret knows how’s to use the power of the board. He successfully twisted Elon’s arm into buying twitter. If the board is choosing him, sounds like they are going all oracle on microsoft / google again , Java style. If Sam beats Ilya + Bret, I will be even more impressed than I already am. Can’t wait for Matt Levine’s play by play if they hire the same legal team Bret used in the last days of twitter. Or it’ll be over in 2 hrs and Sam will win now. Let’s see.
- chucke1992 3y ago
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anonfromsomewhe 3y ago
He was also in upper level in FB and had a work in Google. I expect him to be part in Amazon and Apple in this decade. He touchhes every big company, lol

dontupvoteme 3y ago

Salesforce is part of the microsoft borg now too?

riazrizvi 3y ago

Hard to see how embrace, extend, extinguish fits here. There's no standards-based app ecosystem that depends on some community standard for interplay that they can break by getting market-wide adoption of their proprietary standard. ChatGPT's IO is natural language text prompts/answers. Can MS really create a proprietary extension to natural language, that the world recognizes?

estebarb 3y ago
It seems that some people embraced the concept of "embrace, extend, extinguish", and now they are extending it too far. Eventually the usage of the phrase will be so diluted that it will become extinguished.