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> Of Perth’s 4.2 million daily car trips, 2.8 are for distances of less than 2 km. Sometimes I get a bit more hopeful and then I read stuff like that... two fu

> Of Perth’s 4.2 million daily car trips, 2.8 are for distances of less than 2 km. Sometimes I get a bit more hopeful and then I read stuff like that... two fucking kilometers... That explain why my city is in constant traffic jams, roads full of 2 tonnes cars displacing a single individual as far as the eye can see. Good thing they'll soon be electric cars, that surely will make it very sustainable and clean

bimguy 3y ago
Uhh, EV's are not as clean as you think, please read https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majorit... Do you live in Perth or WA? It's pretty damn warm out there, 2km outside the car is not very comfortable the majority of the time.
- joecot 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic about traffic jams of EVs as far as the eye can see being an improvement.
  - bimguy 3y ago
    That's nice... my comment was regarding the "clean and sustainable" part and what city he lives in, not about the traffic.
    - CBarkleyU 3y ago
      That part was also clearly sarcastic...
      - bimguy 3y ago
        Okay... Sorry that I don't come to the internet to infer sarcasm and whatever other inflections you're assuming from written text...
- audunw 3y ago
  As already pointed out I think the parent post was sarcastic. But the tire dust problem isn’t inherent to EVs. There are EV fleet owners that report a very similar tire wear with their ICEVs and EVs. It depends on what model you have. EVs can be the same weight as an ICE car if you don’t need long range. EVs can be gentler on the torque than ICE in eco mode. There’s no jerk in the torque from changing gears. I think EVs are heavily biased towards heavy weight right now because car makers are pushing their expensive heavy SUVs that give them their highest margins first. And they’re slow to provide options for battery sizes, to streamline early production. Our family had a certain size and range requirements when getting a new car, because of kids and other things, and we ended up with a bigger car with a bigger battery than what we strictly needed because there was few to no options that perfectly matched what we needed. For those of us that cares about the environment and reducing car dependence, you also gotta keep in mind that some of us are making an effort to drive less. I’m using an e-bike to work in the summer time. We got a bike trailer so we can take the kids on local trips with just bikes. Maybe our car gives off more tire dust than an ICE car per km driven, but then we don’t drive all that much anyway. (If we had a really good car sharing program in our neighbourhood maybe we wouldn’t even need a car) Yeah, don’t think you save the planet because you drive an EV, you gotta push for other even more sustainable options too.
  - bimguy 3y ago
    Despite whatever sarcasm I missed, thank you for replying more specifically to the tire dust article and your perspective as a EV owner.
avar 3y ago
Note that "trip" in transport lingo (I'm not sure if Australia has more nuance here) usually means goings from A to B, and disembarking from your vehicle. So if you drive 20km into town, stop to fuel up, then make quick stops at several locations to shop or run errands most of those "trips" might be quite short, even though the total journey might not have been practical except by car.
- drekk 3y ago
  The article discusses this. It's talking about a "commuter trip". As it points out, this is pretty similar for other wealthy nations. In the US, for example, 60% of drives cover a total distance less than 10km.

bimguy 3y ago

Uhh, EV's are not as clean as you think, please read https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majority-of-ocean-microplastics-study-finds https://www.thedrive.com/news/tire-dust-makes-up-the-majorit... Do you live in Perth or WA? It's pretty damn warm out there, 2km outside the car is not very comfortable the majority of the time.

joecot 3y ago
I'm pretty sure they were being sarcastic about traffic jams of EVs as far as the eye can see being an improvement.
- bimguy 3y ago
  That's nice... my comment was regarding the "clean and sustainable" part and what city he lives in, not about the traffic.
  - CBarkleyU 3y ago
    That part was also clearly sarcastic...
    - bimguy 3y ago
      Okay... Sorry that I don't come to the internet to infer sarcasm and whatever other inflections you're assuming from written text...
audunw 3y ago
As already pointed out I think the parent post was sarcastic. But the tire dust problem isn’t inherent to EVs. There are EV fleet owners that report a very similar tire wear with their ICEVs and EVs. It depends on what model you have. EVs can be the same weight as an ICE car if you don’t need long range. EVs can be gentler on the torque than ICE in eco mode. There’s no jerk in the torque from changing gears. I think EVs are heavily biased towards heavy weight right now because car makers are pushing their expensive heavy SUVs that give them their highest margins first. And they’re slow to provide options for battery sizes, to streamline early production. Our family had a certain size and range requirements when getting a new car, because of kids and other things, and we ended up with a bigger car with a bigger battery than what we strictly needed because there was few to no options that perfectly matched what we needed. For those of us that cares about the environment and reducing car dependence, you also gotta keep in mind that some of us are making an effort to drive less. I’m using an e-bike to work in the summer time. We got a bike trailer so we can take the kids on local trips with just bikes. Maybe our car gives off more tire dust than an ICE car per km driven, but then we don’t drive all that much anyway. (If we had a really good car sharing program in our neighbourhood maybe we wouldn’t even need a car) Yeah, don’t think you save the planet because you drive an EV, you gotta push for other even more sustainable options too.
- bimguy 3y ago
  Despite whatever sarcasm I missed, thank you for replying more specifically to the tire dust article and your perspective as a EV owner.

avar 3y ago

Note that "trip" in transport lingo (I'm not sure if Australia has more nuance here) usually means goings from A to B, and disembarking from your vehicle. So if you drive 20km into town, stop to fuel up, then make quick stops at several locations to shop or run errands most of those "trips" might be quite short, even though the total journey might not have been practical except by car.

drekk 3y ago
The article discusses this. It's talking about a "commuter trip". As it points out, this is pretty similar for other wealthy nations. In the US, for example, 60% of drives cover a total distance less than 10km.