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While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault
by romafirst3 3y ago
While this does indeed sound like a problem for Sweden and something they will have to fix, it's worth pointing out that by my calculation the US fatal assault by fire arm rate is 12X the rate that is causing a crisis in Sweden.
- Throwfi44 3y ago> fire arm rate is 12X Add explosives, hand grenades, kidnapping... US does not have a big problem with organized crime!
- romafirst3 3y agothis is one of those statements that is too ambiguous for the internet. It's hard to know if you are being sarcastic? Attempting satire? Or you are trying to make a joke, or genuinely don't know what you are talking about. So, can you clarify?
- Throwfi44 3y agoNo I am serious, if you are comparing murders, you should include all weapons! There are regional differences! Fire arms are heavily regulated and relatively hard to get in EU. We are close to war zones, hand grenades are easier to smuggle, and are used in Sweden. If you include murders by knife, London is worse than US! Edit: also you wrote "assault" that could include anything from armed robbery without health injury, to self defense. Apples and oranges!
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- romafirst3 3y agook I've updated it to show that I mean "fatal" assault by firearms. Quick google search brings up the following "All in all, there were 77 incidents of detonated hand grenades in Sweden during the six-year observation period, in which nine individuals were injured and one killed." is this what you are talking about? Doesn't sound that dramatic. Seems like you are just trolling. Especially with the throwaway account, hard to take what you are saying seriously.
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- slaw 3y agoCould you share your calculation? Did you include suicides that are 2/3 of gun deaths in the US?
- romafirst3 3y ago14.6 firearm deaths per 100,000 (146 per million) , about 54% suicide, 43% murders (the rest accidental and law enforcement). Comes out to about 62 deaths per million, rate here is about 5.5 so 62 / 5.5 = 11.27X Source (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-...)
- slaw 3y agopewresearch.org and FT are using different gun deaths definitions. Compare France. Gun death rate in France is 27 per million. Death from assault by firearm in France is 2 per million. To compare the US to Sweden we need rate of death from assault by firearm for the US.
- romafirst3 3y agowhat is the difference between the two definitions ? btw, we've somehow been back-watered here on the site. I can't even find this thread in my profile, and it's only shown on the main page for this comment as a part of another thread. Hackernews has gotten weird lately.
- slaw 3y agopewresearch.org numbers are off, it claims the US total gun deaths including suicides is only 4 times of France. Deaths by police and military seems very low. This thread is collapsed by default, but I can still see it.
- inglor_cz 3y agoIn Sweden, the big problem are grenades smuggled in vast quantities from the Balkans. Explosions tend to be vastly less precise than shootings and unintended victims are more of a rule than an exception.
- romafirst3 3y agoSeems there have been 77 grenade explosions resulting in 9 fatalities in 6 years with grenades in Sweden. That doesn't seem like "vast quantities".
- veeti 3y agoIn neighboring countries the number is zero, and that sounds vastly preferable.
- inglor_cz 3y agoOK, add improvised explosive devices to the mix. Some of those are remade from grenades. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/31/bomb-experts-called-in-after-swedish-cities-see-four-explosions-in-just-over-an-hour https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/31/bomb-experts-c... Czechia has the same population as Sweden. Such series of intentional explosions would be considered insane here. Trends matter, too. Sweden used to be known as the country where people don't lock their doors. Very high trust societies are rare and their demise due to rising crime is harmful to entire humanity.
- carlosjobim 3y agoWhat does the US have to do with the article? Why is it a relevant country for comparison?
- romafirst3 3y agoIt's relevant for a sense of perspective for the majority of people who are reading this page (because they come from the US). People quote articles like this in the US to pretend that the EU is suffering from some dystopian crime wave but (from the perspective of the US) the opposite is true.
- carlosjobim 3y agoEven if they come from the US (maybe they don't), what is the purpose of comparing with the US specifically? The situation is dystopian for the victims, just as in the US.
- goodgrief6 3y ago[dead]
- bilbo0s 3y agoMaybe HN User romafirst believes the US is the relevant nation in any discussion on any subject? Some people are just US-centric. They believe everything should be looked at through the lens of how it affects the US. It's just how they are.
- romafirst3 3y agowhat I said above.
- seydor 3y agothe article ends on that note too, but "it could be worse" is not an acceptable response to a worsening situation.