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> Working at an office sucks because of some combination of {long commute, open office plan, team not being there} Working at an office sucks because it is a m

> Working at an office sucks because of some combination of {long commute, open office plan, team not being there} Working at an office sucks because it is a massive constraint on where you can live, even if you can tolerate a long commute. If you live with a partner who also has a career your options are even more constrained. I find it miraculous such a situation works out for anyone.

paulddraper 3y ago
And yet for millions of people and many years, it has worked out. There are tradeoffs, sure. But there are a lot of jobs in a lot of fields in a lot of places. The venn overlap is not tiny.
- antisthenes 3y ago
  Trends happen a lot faster and make people miserable than you can definitively say "it's working out".
- whoknowsidont 3y ago
  >it has worked out. Hardly. This is actually kind of insanely tone-deaf statement to make. People have uprooted their lives, spent lots of their wealth in expensive real-estate markets due to artificial demand, given up time with their families, etc etc. Saying it's "worked out" is a really bland dismissal of the entire conversation.
  - ghaff 3y ago
    What alternative do you have even for many highly-paid professional jobs like doctors?
    - zerbinxx 3y ago
      Doctors are somewhat unique in the fact that they can live and practice in a wide variety of places. Anywhere there’s a hospital, you will have them. Where they will choose to work/for how much is a much wider decision matrix than it is for many white collar organizations which would have no reason to exist (physically) in a small town of 20,000 people. Such a town would require at least a single hospital employing many medical professionals, depending on how far it is from other forms of medical care.
      - ghaff 3y ago
        Doctors are just one example and there are many reasons why a doctor may choose to practice in, say, the Boston area than in some 20,000 person town in North Dakota--though you're right than, in many cases, medical professionals have a pretty wide choice in where they live and work depending upon how choosy they are. But a ton of STEM jobs do require access to labs and other facilities or may have requirements related to security clearances etc. A lot of skilled people can't just work from home and many others travel a lot even if they don't regularly come into an office.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    What was artificial about demand?
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
  In the context of the modern American nuclear family, the concept of both adults working is relatively new. The traditional arrangement was one breadwinner, one homemaker, and ~2.5 kids. Which is still common these days, but not to the point of exclusivity: I work remotely, but my partner works hybrid.
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paulddraper 3y ago

And yet for millions of people and many years, it has worked out. There are tradeoffs, sure. But there are a lot of jobs in a lot of fields in a lot of places. The venn overlap is not tiny.

antisthenes 3y ago
Trends happen a lot faster and make people miserable than you can definitively say "it's working out".
whoknowsidont 3y ago
>it has worked out. Hardly. This is actually kind of insanely tone-deaf statement to make. People have uprooted their lives, spent lots of their wealth in expensive real-estate markets due to artificial demand, given up time with their families, etc etc. Saying it's "worked out" is a really bland dismissal of the entire conversation.
- ghaff 3y ago
  What alternative do you have even for many highly-paid professional jobs like doctors?
  - zerbinxx 3y ago
    Doctors are somewhat unique in the fact that they can live and practice in a wide variety of places. Anywhere there’s a hospital, you will have them. Where they will choose to work/for how much is a much wider decision matrix than it is for many white collar organizations which would have no reason to exist (physically) in a small town of 20,000 people. Such a town would require at least a single hospital employing many medical professionals, depending on how far it is from other forms of medical care.
    - ghaff 3y ago
      Doctors are just one example and there are many reasons why a doctor may choose to practice in, say, the Boston area than in some 20,000 person town in North Dakota--though you're right than, in many cases, medical professionals have a pretty wide choice in where they live and work depending upon how choosy they are. But a ton of STEM jobs do require access to labs and other facilities or may have requirements related to security clearances etc. A lot of skilled people can't just work from home and many others travel a lot even if they don't regularly come into an office.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  What was artificial about demand?
spondylosaurus 3y ago
In the context of the modern American nuclear family, the concept of both adults working is relatively new. The traditional arrangement was one breadwinner, one homemaker, and ~2.5 kids. Which is still common these days, but not to the point of exclusivity: I work remotely, but my partner works hybrid.
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