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For me it’s all about removing the tempting things I would normally waste time with. Go camping and don’t take a phone or book or kindle. Buy night two I’m asle

by grecy 3y ago

For me it’s all about removing the tempting things I would normally waste time with. Go camping and don’t take a phone or book or kindle. Buy night two I’m asleep before my head hits the pillow! So at home I try to do the same. Before reaching for the laptop or phone I ask myself what I’m going to do with it, and if the answer Is waste time, I try very hard not to pick it up (doing something else makes that easier - load the dishwasher, get lunch ready for tomorrow, etc)

mindslight 3y ago
On this topic, camping is "cheating", IMO. I naturally want to wake up somewhere around 10AM. (I'm sure I've got something like "delayed phase sleep syndrome", but don't see the point of medicalizing/externalizing it rather than just knowing myself and mitigating the harm from society). But stick me in a tent outdoors and it's a few short days until I'm waking up with the sun, or even the birds.
- grecy 3y ago
  Go to bed with the sun at home, that will help you wake up with the sun.
  - mindslight 3y ago
    I'm sure light has much to do with it, but that's a poor proposition at this time of year in the northern hemisphere. And frankly often times when it starts to get dark is when I actually start to feel fully awake. Of course the caffeine dependence I've built up lately doesn't help that. It's one hell of a high interest loan, and there's never a good time to pay it off.
    - grecy 3y ago
      I live in the Yukon, I’ve never felt better than when I go to bed with the sun, even in winter. When your body sleeps for 14+ hours, it’s telling you something
      - mindslight 3y ago
        Well I wouldn't have guessed you are in one place! That's completely different from my experience with myself. I can go to bed hours early, still fall asleep pretty quickly, and essentially just sleep through to the waking time of my latent schedule. Contrast with staying up an extra few hours will cause my waking time to move forward about 20-30 minutes. The main way I can move my schedule earlier is to make myself get up earlier, and then stop myself from taking a nap in the middle of the day. That's of course modulo artificial light and being indoors. I haven't really tried to reproduce the effect of camping indoors, but I think the exposure, temperature change, and nature's activities contribute more than the light level. Indoors, I can generally continue sleeping just fine with direct sun on my eyelids.
      - Baeocystin 3y ago
        When I lived in Montana, I definitely slept more hours in the winter. Kind of enjoyed it, too. Those long evenings of nothing much but staring in to the fire (house was heated with a Franklin stove) were good for the soul.
      - hotnfresh 3y ago
        I’ve played with eliminating nighttime lighting (aside from candles) and after-dark screens period, and can confirm, it puts one’s “clock” closer to where it should be. Which shouldn’t be surprising. It is hard to keep up. If I were dictator of the world I’d experiment with hibernating the whole economy a bit in the Winter. Three months or so of 5-6 hour workdays.

by grecy 3y ago

mindslight 3y ago

On this topic, camping is "cheating", IMO. I naturally want to wake up somewhere around 10AM. (I'm sure I've got something like "delayed phase sleep syndrome", but don't see the point of medicalizing/externalizing it rather than just knowing myself and mitigating the harm from society). But stick me in a tent outdoors and it's a few short days until I'm waking up with the sun, or even the birds.

grecy 3y ago
Go to bed with the sun at home, that will help you wake up with the sun.
- mindslight 3y ago
  I'm sure light has much to do with it, but that's a poor proposition at this time of year in the northern hemisphere. And frankly often times when it starts to get dark is when I actually start to feel fully awake. Of course the caffeine dependence I've built up lately doesn't help that. It's one hell of a high interest loan, and there's never a good time to pay it off.
  - grecy 3y ago
    I live in the Yukon, I’ve never felt better than when I go to bed with the sun, even in winter. When your body sleeps for 14+ hours, it’s telling you something
    - mindslight 3y ago
      Well I wouldn't have guessed you are in one place! That's completely different from my experience with myself. I can go to bed hours early, still fall asleep pretty quickly, and essentially just sleep through to the waking time of my latent schedule. Contrast with staying up an extra few hours will cause my waking time to move forward about 20-30 minutes. The main way I can move my schedule earlier is to make myself get up earlier, and then stop myself from taking a nap in the middle of the day. That's of course modulo artificial light and being indoors. I haven't really tried to reproduce the effect of camping indoors, but I think the exposure, temperature change, and nature's activities contribute more than the light level. Indoors, I can generally continue sleeping just fine with direct sun on my eyelids.
    - Baeocystin 3y ago
      When I lived in Montana, I definitely slept more hours in the winter. Kind of enjoyed it, too. Those long evenings of nothing much but staring in to the fire (house was heated with a Franklin stove) were good for the soul.
    - hotnfresh 3y ago
      I’ve played with eliminating nighttime lighting (aside from candles) and after-dark screens period, and can confirm, it puts one’s “clock” closer to where it should be. Which shouldn’t be surprising. It is hard to keep up. If I were dictator of the world I’d experiment with hibernating the whole economy a bit in the Winter. Three months or so of 5-6 hour workdays.