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As someone who still watches the Korean Broodwar scene, how are the mechanics in this game? Is there micro? Or is it more sc2 style where you put all your units

As someone who still watches the Korean Broodwar scene, how are the mechanics in this game? Is there micro? Or is it more sc2 style where you put all your units in a single control group and then death ball them into the other death ball?

Pannoniae 3y ago
The game is much less click-intensive, but you need really good situational awareness for it. It doesn't have "traditional" micro, you don't need to manually queue units or babysit every single unit so it doesn't die immediately, but to win, you need to micro in key areas and most importantly, manage your economy well.
- thinkingtoilet 3y ago
  Interesting. Does managing your economy mean being efficient and keeping resources low or are there more complex elements to it?
  - chaps 3y ago
    Because ZK doesn't have an exponential economy, each unit is important, even the cheap ones. There's also metal reclaim in battles, which tends to be about half of your econ. So fights become terf wars to make sure the enemy doesn't reclaim each battles' spoils.
  - MauranKilom 3y ago
    Some basics (from someone who played the game a bunch a decade ago): There are two resources, metal and energy, neither can "mine out". To build something, you need equal amounts of both, and the thing building can only spend them at a certain rate ("buildpower"). Notably, metal income is effectively proportional to the amount of territory you control, whereas energy generation can be built anywhere. Buildpower is local to factories and builder units. Neither resource needs to be "moved around", it can be spent by builders anywhere. One important economy management aspect is matching your metal income with at least as much energy income and buildpower so you can actually spend it (excess energy is turned into a bit of extra metal). And then yes, you should spend it, but the factories support queues (including automatic re-queueing), and you can of course shift-queue buildings. Another important aspect is that dead units leave behind metal scraps. This can boost your metal income substantially (e.g. if a failed enemy attack leads to a bunch of dead units near your base). In short, balancing metal income (/territory expansion) with energy income and buildpower is the core economy management loop. But because units have pretty capable AI (e.g. auto-kite when applicable), you can devote a lot more of your attention to this aspect, as well as higher-level decision making.
    - thinkingtoilet 3y ago
      Thank you so much for the detailed response. Seems interesting.
BlueTemplar 3y ago
More like SC1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lYXap5rbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lYXap5rbM Still, there are just too many differences from both SC1 and 2. Starting with a higher importance being placed on team games. For a similar, yet different gameplay, see Beyond All Reason.
concordDance 3y ago
Not heavy micro I'd say, but death balls won't work very well normally, the composition of your ball matters a lot, as does how you position it.

Pannoniae 3y ago

The game is much less click-intensive, but you need really good situational awareness for it. It doesn't have "traditional" micro, you don't need to manually queue units or babysit every single unit so it doesn't die immediately, but to win, you need to micro in key areas and most importantly, manage your economy well.

thinkingtoilet 3y ago
Interesting. Does managing your economy mean being efficient and keeping resources low or are there more complex elements to it?
- chaps 3y ago
  Because ZK doesn't have an exponential economy, each unit is important, even the cheap ones. There's also metal reclaim in battles, which tends to be about half of your econ. So fights become terf wars to make sure the enemy doesn't reclaim each battles' spoils.
- MauranKilom 3y ago
  Some basics (from someone who played the game a bunch a decade ago): There are two resources, metal and energy, neither can "mine out". To build something, you need equal amounts of both, and the thing building can only spend them at a certain rate ("buildpower"). Notably, metal income is effectively proportional to the amount of territory you control, whereas energy generation can be built anywhere. Buildpower is local to factories and builder units. Neither resource needs to be "moved around", it can be spent by builders anywhere. One important economy management aspect is matching your metal income with at least as much energy income and buildpower so you can actually spend it (excess energy is turned into a bit of extra metal). And then yes, you should spend it, but the factories support queues (including automatic re-queueing), and you can of course shift-queue buildings. Another important aspect is that dead units leave behind metal scraps. This can boost your metal income substantially (e.g. if a failed enemy attack leads to a bunch of dead units near your base). In short, balancing metal income (/territory expansion) with energy income and buildpower is the core economy management loop. But because units have pretty capable AI (e.g. auto-kite when applicable), you can devote a lot more of your attention to this aspect, as well as higher-level decision making.
  - thinkingtoilet 3y ago
    Thank you so much for the detailed response. Seems interesting.

BlueTemplar 3y ago

More like SC1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lYXap5rbM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lYXap5rbM Still, there are just too many differences from both SC1 and 2. Starting with a higher importance being placed on team games. For a similar, yet different gameplay, see Beyond All Reason.

concordDance 3y ago

Not heavy micro I'd say, but death balls won't work very well normally, the composition of your ball matters a lot, as does how you position it.