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Yes it is a scam. When you leave the company they won't have to pay for your accrued vacation days. You can't take a 3 month sabbatical unless you are truly e

Yes it is a scam. When you leave the company they won't have to pay for your accrued vacation days. You can't take a 3 month sabbatical unless you are truly exceptional and if that's the case you're likely underpaid. Edit: I'm referring to the US with my comment

Kiro 3y ago
That's not how it works in countries with modern labor laws. You will have a baseline amount of vacation days as per the law, and employers can't circumvent that by putting "infinite" on your employment contract.
- brazzy 3y ago
  Yeah, but we're talking about the USA here.
- adeelk93 3y ago
  The phrase “modern countries” feels unnecessarily antagonistic. This is HN, we’re not here for flame wars.
  - Kiro 3y ago
    You're right. I updated my comment.
- lopkeny12ko 3y ago
  Do you not consider the USA a modern country? What you claim cannot be in my employment contract, is literally in my employment contract.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Even in countries with "modern labor laws", I would think it still serves the same "less entitlement despite sounding like infinitely more" compared to fixed-but-greater-than-minimum leave policies. Obviously, if there is a minimum and rule that that minimum accrues if not used, it doesn't eliminate that, but it would avoid having an allotment above the legal minimum that accrues. Obviously, though, it works best in places like the US that have no minimum (though the benefit is mitigated in those US states that don't even require paying out accrued time off in all cases to start with; the sweet spot for maximum employer advantage compared to alternatives from an unlimited PTO policy is situations like US states that do require paying out accrued vacation at the end of employment.)
the_only_law 3y ago
> When you leave the company they won't have to pay for your accrued vacation days. Is this legally required? I worked at one place where this was the case and I was paid out for unused time upon leaving, but at another I was told I’d have to use it all up or lose it.
- sundaeofshock 3y ago
  I can’t speak to other states, but this is legal in California. It’s also worth noting that employers are required to pay final wages — including unused PTO — within 72-hours of your final final shift. So, the power move in response to such an employer would be to say you are quitting effective immediately and you expect your final check, including unused PTO, to be mailed out within 72-hours. “Fuck me? No, fuck you.”

Kiro 3y ago

That's not how it works in countries with modern labor laws. You will have a baseline amount of vacation days as per the law, and employers can't circumvent that by putting "infinite" on your employment contract.

brazzy 3y ago
Yeah, but we're talking about the USA here.
adeelk93 3y ago
The phrase “modern countries” feels unnecessarily antagonistic. This is HN, we’re not here for flame wars.
- Kiro 3y ago
  You're right. I updated my comment.
lopkeny12ko 3y ago
Do you not consider the USA a modern country? What you claim cannot be in my employment contract, is literally in my employment contract.
dragonwriter 3y ago
Even in countries with "modern labor laws", I would think it still serves the same "less entitlement despite sounding like infinitely more" compared to fixed-but-greater-than-minimum leave policies. Obviously, if there is a minimum and rule that that minimum accrues if not used, it doesn't eliminate that, but it would avoid having an allotment above the legal minimum that accrues. Obviously, though, it works best in places like the US that have no minimum (though the benefit is mitigated in those US states that don't even require paying out accrued time off in all cases to start with; the sweet spot for maximum employer advantage compared to alternatives from an unlimited PTO policy is situations like US states that do require paying out accrued vacation at the end of employment.)

the_only_law 3y ago

> When you leave the company they won't have to pay for your accrued vacation days. Is this legally required? I worked at one place where this was the case and I was paid out for unused time upon leaving, but at another I was told I’d have to use it all up or lose it.

sundaeofshock 3y ago
I can’t speak to other states, but this is legal in California. It’s also worth noting that employers are required to pay final wages — including unused PTO — within 72-hours of your final final shift. So, the power move in response to such an employer would be to say you are quitting effective immediately and you expect your final check, including unused PTO, to be mailed out within 72-hours. “Fuck me? No, fuck you.”