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Lovely quality. I celebrate that. Ligatures are a deal breaker for me tho. With centuries of use cases, we crafted an alphabet that abstracted phonemes, one pe

Lovely quality. I celebrate that. Ligatures are a deal breaker for me tho. With centuries of use cases, we crafted an alphabet that abstracted phonemes, one per symbol, in a carefully isolated, unambiguous and successful way. Ligatures come and with a stroke of design creativity inject ambiguity and de-standardisation where those problems were previously carefully solved.

toastal 3y ago
I dislike them too, but they can be disabled. This makes them ‘good’ for remote pair with something like upterm so two users that disagree on the subject can have it their way. Inappropriate usage is rampant making presentations & in-person pairing way more difficult/unclear (luckily userStyles can be used to prevent it in the browser). What we need is languages to stop clinging to US keyboards as a limiter where => doesn’t need to be misunderstood as ⇒ or ≥.
kstrauser 3y ago
Ligatures overcome the typographic limitations we've had since ASCII came along. For example -> became a convention because we didn't have a way to write → easily. Now we do.
- sebastianconcpt 3y ago
  Is not standard and, as I said, creates ambiguity and additional cognitive load for a weak reason.
  - kstrauser 3y ago
    …for you. Be careful when you state personal opinion as fact. I’m not claiming that they’re universally good, just that I like them (and so do lots of other people). Your claims are far from universal.
    - sebastianconcpt 3y ago
      But notice is not an opinion that most fonts you see everywhere are not using ligatures. They are a subset which is the opposite of being universally adopted as norm. Which is the point I'm raising: The norm expects you to unambiguously interpret certain symbols and ligatures dilutes that normal convenience to read symbols unambiguously. Your brain acquired a taste to adjust the parsing of these symbols, that taste isn't universal nor is it the norm.

toastal 3y ago

I dislike them too, but they can be disabled. This makes them ‘good’ for remote pair with something like upterm so two users that disagree on the subject can have it their way. Inappropriate usage is rampant making presentations & in-person pairing way more difficult/unclear (luckily userStyles can be used to prevent it in the browser). What we need is languages to stop clinging to US keyboards as a limiter where => doesn’t need to be misunderstood as ⇒ or ≥.

kstrauser 3y ago

Ligatures overcome the typographic limitations we've had since ASCII came along. For example -> became a convention because we didn't have a way to write → easily. Now we do.

sebastianconcpt 3y ago
Is not standard and, as I said, creates ambiguity and additional cognitive load for a weak reason.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  …for you. Be careful when you state personal opinion as fact. I’m not claiming that they’re universally good, just that I like them (and so do lots of other people). Your claims are far from universal.
  - sebastianconcpt 3y ago
    But notice is not an opinion that most fonts you see everywhere are not using ligatures. They are a subset which is the opposite of being universally adopted as norm. Which is the point I'm raising: The norm expects you to unambiguously interpret certain symbols and ligatures dilutes that normal convenience to read symbols unambiguously. Your brain acquired a taste to adjust the parsing of these symbols, that taste isn't universal nor is it the norm.