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I wouldn't mind paying but I refuse to pay to give them my data and mass-disseminate that for that pleasure. Once they have no access to it and its a black-box

I wouldn't mind paying but I refuse to pay to give them my data and mass-disseminate that for that pleasure. Once they have no access to it and its a black-box they stop obsessing about, we'll talk.

acdha 3y ago
They still get your data as long as you use the service – and by using it you’re telling the creators and anyone you share links with that they need to keep giving Google their data, too, because that’s where everyone else is. Fighting this requires privacy legislation and not using YouTube.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  How 'bout their choices are: 1) no money + they get data 2) money + they get no data 3) no money + no data (me ;) Choose one. Non-negotiable. Seriously. Gatekeep or pretend like you have any jurisdiction or power all you like while I sidle by on option 3) Sighyanara
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Then they need to fix that. That's the future. This is not a negotiation and consequently, I'm amused by the tenor of this topic and the various threads that try to shift the Overton window as if that is or will remain the case
  - acdha 3y ago
    No, it’s not a negotiation. They’re going to keep tracking you and blocking ad blocker users. What I don’t understand is how anyone can care about that and think they should be putting their time and energy into cementing YouTube’s market share rather than voting with their feet.
    - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
      odd you make that claim considering my adblock successfully removes ads from youtube's service.
      - acdha 3y ago
        Yes, for now. It does nothing to prevent Google from seeing what you do on their servers of linking that to what you do elsewhere, and your activity tells anyone who makes videos that the place their stuff will be watched is YouTube.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      Ok
    - Qwertious 3y ago
      "Voting with their feet"? With what alternative? Which other site has TF2 video tutorials on the best rollouts for cp_granary? Cmon, give me a cp_granary rollout video link that's not YouTube.
      - acdha 3y ago
        Not my game so I can’t say, but if it’s that irreplaceable in your life doesn’t that mean YouTube is providing you a valuable service and you should pay them for it? It’s easy to host video now so I’d also note that not treating YouTube as a fundamental human right would also open up room for competition. If they’re so bad you can’t stomach paying for what you like, why are you spending your time helping them maintain their high market share?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Tracking and selling my shit is not a valuable service in my eyes. And even if they did, I just can't trust them anyway.
        acdha 3y ago
        They can only do that because you visit their site. Why are you helping boost the numbers for a site you dislike that much?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        No comment

I wouldn't mind paying but I refuse to pay to give them my data and mass-disseminate that for that pleasure. Once they have no access to it and its a black-box they stop obsessing about, we'll talk.

acdha 3y ago

They still get your data as long as you use the service – and by using it you’re telling the creators and anyone you share links with that they need to keep giving Google their data, too, because that’s where everyone else is. Fighting this requires privacy legislation and not using YouTube.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
How 'bout their choices are: 1) no money + they get data 2) money + they get no data 3) no money + no data (me ;) Choose one. Non-negotiable. Seriously. Gatekeep or pretend like you have any jurisdiction or power all you like while I sidle by on option 3) Sighyanara
Obscurity4340 3y ago
Then they need to fix that. That's the future. This is not a negotiation and consequently, I'm amused by the tenor of this topic and the various threads that try to shift the Overton window as if that is or will remain the case
- acdha 3y ago
  No, it’s not a negotiation. They’re going to keep tracking you and blocking ad blocker users. What I don’t understand is how anyone can care about that and think they should be putting their time and energy into cementing YouTube’s market share rather than voting with their feet.
  - PH95VuimJjqBqy 3y ago
    odd you make that claim considering my adblock successfully removes ads from youtube's service.
    - acdha 3y ago
      Yes, for now. It does nothing to prevent Google from seeing what you do on their servers of linking that to what you do elsewhere, and your activity tells anyone who makes videos that the place their stuff will be watched is YouTube.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    Ok
  - Qwertious 3y ago
    "Voting with their feet"? With what alternative? Which other site has TF2 video tutorials on the best rollouts for cp_granary? Cmon, give me a cp_granary rollout video link that's not YouTube.
    - acdha 3y ago
      Not my game so I can’t say, but if it’s that irreplaceable in your life doesn’t that mean YouTube is providing you a valuable service and you should pay them for it? It’s easy to host video now so I’d also note that not treating YouTube as a fundamental human right would also open up room for competition. If they’re so bad you can’t stomach paying for what you like, why are you spending your time helping them maintain their high market share?
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Tracking and selling my shit is not a valuable service in my eyes. And even if they did, I just can't trust them anyway.
        acdha 3y ago
        They can only do that because you visit their site. Why are you helping boost the numbers for a site you dislike that much?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        No comment