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the tories used that as an excuse. There has always been badly run councils - so instead of fixing the problem they used it to reduce the power of local council

the tories used that as an excuse. There has always been badly run councils - so instead of fixing the problem they used it to reduce the power of local councils this is a very common theme in the uk - find an edge case and use it to justify anything you want. But while conveniently and hypocritically coming up with excuses to justfy the things you want (or just sweep crap under the carpet)

mytailorisrich 3y ago
If there has always been badly run councils then it's too convenient to blame them on the Tories. I feel that this is the cost of being in power for 13 years (for either side). At some point some people forget, or don't know, that the other party is not the panacea, either, and that not everything can be pinned on the party in power. There is a massive amount of crap that has nothing to do with the Tories and, again, we've recently seen that in Slough and Birmingham. So if you think that when the next Labour PM is going to be appointed by the King the crap will disappear you're bound to be very sorely disappointed.
- 123pie123 3y ago
  >So if you think that when the next Labour PM is going to be appointed by the King the crap will disappear you're bound to be very sorely disappointed. until PR is put in place this pantomine will continue (it will still take a long time before it gets much better). For me the main difference is intent - both parties crave power, but the tories have a seriously much lower bar than labour in the things or people they will screw over
  - mytailorisrich 3y ago
    Following that angle, don't worry that Labour's intent is to screw over as many people as the Tories. Perhaps different people, but that's about it. The difference, perhaps, is the veneer of "good intentions" but as we know the road to he'll is paved with good intentions... As for PR, we'll the third party is the Lib Dems, who are living in the twilight zone at this point so, no luck there, either.
    - 123pie123 3y ago
      the system we have place was designed for two parties only - it gives the party in power a dictatorship with informal controls (Boris knew and abused this) any more than two parties messes everything up - specifically for left leaning parties, becasue labour and lib dems typically have a bigger overlap than the tories and lib dems (espically since ukip has seemlingly taken over the tories) the current system is monterously unfair and very undemocratic. but the conservatives and labour like the idea of unlimited power and will fight it all the way. https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/what-are-voting-systems/proportional-representation/ https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/what-are-...

mytailorisrich 3y ago

If there has always been badly run councils then it's too convenient to blame them on the Tories. I feel that this is the cost of being in power for 13 years (for either side). At some point some people forget, or don't know, that the other party is not the panacea, either, and that not everything can be pinned on the party in power. There is a massive amount of crap that has nothing to do with the Tories and, again, we've recently seen that in Slough and Birmingham. So if you think that when the next Labour PM is going to be appointed by the King the crap will disappear you're bound to be very sorely disappointed.

123pie123 3y ago
>So if you think that when the next Labour PM is going to be appointed by the King the crap will disappear you're bound to be very sorely disappointed. until PR is put in place this pantomine will continue (it will still take a long time before it gets much better). For me the main difference is intent - both parties crave power, but the tories have a seriously much lower bar than labour in the things or people they will screw over
- mytailorisrich 3y ago
  Following that angle, don't worry that Labour's intent is to screw over as many people as the Tories. Perhaps different people, but that's about it. The difference, perhaps, is the veneer of "good intentions" but as we know the road to he'll is paved with good intentions... As for PR, we'll the third party is the Lib Dems, who are living in the twilight zone at this point so, no luck there, either.
  - 123pie123 3y ago
    the system we have place was designed for two parties only - it gives the party in power a dictatorship with informal controls (Boris knew and abused this) any more than two parties messes everything up - specifically for left leaning parties, becasue labour and lib dems typically have a bigger overlap than the tories and lib dems (espically since ukip has seemlingly taken over the tories) the current system is monterously unfair and very undemocratic. but the conservatives and labour like the idea of unlimited power and will fight it all the way. https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/what-are-voting-systems/proportional-representation/ https://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voting-systems/what-are-...