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A good argument for independent regulation/oversight.

by lewhoo 3y ago

Mountain_Skies 3y ago
Independent is the tricky part. AI companies already are asking for government regulation but how independent would that regulation really be?
- _heimdall 3y ago
  As independent as any other government oversight/regulation in the US, it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated.
  - nyokodo 3y ago
    > it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated. Which is also the probable fate of an AGI super intelligence being regulated by humans.
    - medstrom 3y ago
      You misunderstand AGI. AGI won't be controllable, it'd be like ants building a fence around a human thinking it'll keep him in.
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      If we actually create an AGI, it will view us much like we view other animals/insects/plants. People often get wrapped up around an AGI's incentive structure and what intentions it will have, but IMO we have just as much chance of controlling it as wild rabbits have controlling humans. It will be a massive leap in intelligence, likely with concepts and ways of understanding reality that either never considered or aren't capable of. Again, that's *if* we make an AGI not these LLM machine learning algorithms being paraded around as AI.
  - fho 3y ago
    Not an economist, but that does not sound bad in general. Best case you have several companies that: (a) have the knowledge to make sensible rulings and (b) have an interest that non of their direct competitors gain any unfair advantages.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      The problem case is when the companies all have a backroom meeting and go "Hey, lets ask for regulation X that hurts us some... but hurts everyone else way more"
    - _heimdall 3y ago
      Economists actually shouldn't even be included in regulatory considerations in my opinion. If they are then regulators must be balancing the regulation that on its own seems necessary with the economic impact of proper regulation. It hasn't worked for the airline industry, pharmaceutical companies, banks, or big tech to name a few. I don't think its wise for us to keep trying the same strategy.

A good argument for independent regulation/oversight.

by lewhoo 3y ago

A good argument for independent regulation/oversight.

Independent is the tricky part. AI companies already are asking for government regulation but how independent would that regulation really be?

_heimdall 3y ago
As independent as any other government oversight/regulation in the US, it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated.
- nyokodo 3y ago
  > it'd either be directly run or heavily influenced by those being regulated. Which is also the probable fate of an AGI super intelligence being regulated by humans.
  - medstrom 3y ago
    You misunderstand AGI. AGI won't be controllable, it'd be like ants building a fence around a human thinking it'll keep him in.
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    If we actually create an AGI, it will view us much like we view other animals/insects/plants. People often get wrapped up around an AGI's incentive structure and what intentions it will have, but IMO we have just as much chance of controlling it as wild rabbits have controlling humans. It will be a massive leap in intelligence, likely with concepts and ways of understanding reality that either never considered or aren't capable of. Again, that's *if* we make an AGI not these LLM machine learning algorithms being paraded around as AI.
- fho 3y ago
  Not an economist, but that does not sound bad in general. Best case you have several companies that: (a) have the knowledge to make sensible rulings and (b) have an interest that non of their direct competitors gain any unfair advantages.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    The problem case is when the companies all have a backroom meeting and go "Hey, lets ask for regulation X that hurts us some... but hurts everyone else way more"
  - _heimdall 3y ago
    Economists actually shouldn't even be included in regulatory considerations in my opinion. If they are then regulators must be balancing the regulation that on its own seems necessary with the economic impact of proper regulation. It hasn't worked for the airline industry, pharmaceutical companies, banks, or big tech to name a few. I don't think its wise for us to keep trying the same strategy.