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However you will find this exact dog whistle in every thread about German social issues without fail, and it rarely gets downvoted. Stop pretending that you ca

by nicbou 3y ago

However you will find this exact dog whistle in every thread about German social issues without fail, and it rarely gets downvoted. Stop pretending that you can say it. You say it every damn time.

cubefox 3y ago
It appears the term "dog whistle" is used to shame people who try to point out things that are considered taboo.
- nicbou 3y ago
  It's used to shame people who say things while hiding behind plausible deniability. You want to complain about a group of immigrants? Go ahead, but own it. Stop saying you-know-who and have the courage to back your own thoughts. Then we can talk about it like adults.
  - cubefox 3y ago
    That's not so easy. You can't just break straight through the Overton window. That could easily get you socially punished, e.g. here by downvoting and flagging. Some sensitivity is required.
    - nicbou 3y ago
      I'd say that you already leave the Overton window but merely pretend that you don't. It just makes it harder to have a frank discussion because you leave it to the other side to name the group for you. If you argue in bad faith you can even pretend that they brought it up, not you. I find it disingenuous all around. Like I said, it became ubiquitous in the local debate since the Hamas attacks.
      - cubefox 3y ago
        If comments get removed altogether because of lack of sensitivity, there is no discussion at all, frank or not. So there isn't much an alternative. A parent comment of this thread was already flagged regardless. You seem to underestimate how severe the problem is. You very much can't talk straight like with any topic inside the Overton window. I don't like the accusation of of "bad faith". I don't even know what it is supposed to mean concretely. What defines "the group" exactly, is part of the question. I said more in neighboring threads.
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >I don't like the accusation of of "bad faith". That's kind of the issue here. Anything remotely negative about certain immigrant groups is automatically assumed in bad faith (you must be a racist/nazi) and gets flagged/downvoted and no free discussion on the topic can ever happen.
        nicbou 3y ago
        How is it any different if you call them "you-know-who" instead?
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Less likely to get into trouble with the ultra left wing politically correct mobs who can't wait to call you a racist nazi for pointing out immigration related failures.

by nicbou 3y ago

However you will find this exact dog whistle in every thread about German social issues without fail, and it rarely gets downvoted. Stop pretending that you can say it. You say it every damn time.

cubefox 3y ago

It appears the term "dog whistle" is used to shame people who try to point out things that are considered taboo.

nicbou 3y ago
It's used to shame people who say things while hiding behind plausible deniability. You want to complain about a group of immigrants? Go ahead, but own it. Stop saying you-know-who and have the courage to back your own thoughts. Then we can talk about it like adults.
- cubefox 3y ago
  That's not so easy. You can't just break straight through the Overton window. That could easily get you socially punished, e.g. here by downvoting and flagging. Some sensitivity is required.
  - nicbou 3y ago
    I'd say that you already leave the Overton window but merely pretend that you don't. It just makes it harder to have a frank discussion because you leave it to the other side to name the group for you. If you argue in bad faith you can even pretend that they brought it up, not you. I find it disingenuous all around. Like I said, it became ubiquitous in the local debate since the Hamas attacks.
    - cubefox 3y ago
      If comments get removed altogether because of lack of sensitivity, there is no discussion at all, frank or not. So there isn't much an alternative. A parent comment of this thread was already flagged regardless. You seem to underestimate how severe the problem is. You very much can't talk straight like with any topic inside the Overton window. I don't like the accusation of of "bad faith". I don't even know what it is supposed to mean concretely. What defines "the group" exactly, is part of the question. I said more in neighboring threads.
      - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        >I don't like the accusation of of "bad faith". That's kind of the issue here. Anything remotely negative about certain immigrant groups is automatically assumed in bad faith (you must be a racist/nazi) and gets flagged/downvoted and no free discussion on the topic can ever happen.
        nicbou 3y ago
        How is it any different if you call them "you-know-who" instead?
        FirmwareBurner 3y ago
        Less likely to get into trouble with the ultra left wing politically correct mobs who can't wait to call you a racist nazi for pointing out immigration related failures.