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Good luck, I've been doing similar the past six months. My thoughts: ship product fast and make a lot of mistakes Language? If you are learning RoR: Zed Shaw'

Good luck, I've been doing similar the past six months. My thoughts: ship product fast and make a lot of mistakes Language? If you are learning RoR: Zed Shaw's LCTHW and Hartl's Rails Tutorial are great. Learn to Program by Chris Pine is also a good starting point for syntax, but focus on pair programming (where the real learning happens)

tsewlliw 14y ago
As a fairly experienced programmer, where are all these business guys who are so psyched about learning to code??? Any in AustinTX? I would be seriously psyched to pair with a motivated total "noob" because I remember how exhilarating the first few years are, and how great it is to have your mind blown weekly or monthly by some subtle concept.
- spydertennis 14y ago
  contact info? =)
  - tsewlliw 14y ago
    updated hn: about is it confusing to anyone else which of those are public when looking at the edit form?
    - dwynings 14y ago
      Yes, it's a long-standing issue.
- bomatson 14y ago
  It is exciting! I've also found it to be insanely great way to express creativity, like when you first learn piano. I'm in LA but would love to hear how you would approach pairing up to work with a 'noob' like me. I'm bobby.matson [a] gmail
- jonbishop 14y ago
  Wish you were in San Francisco!
- viandante 14y ago
  For us business guys (and the term is broad, there can be also quite technical/numerical business guys...) is really a struggle convincing anybody that we can code. Yes, we have small tiny demos laying in there (<shameless plug>http://andemo.ep.io http://andemo.ep.io </shameless plug>), or we hack some scripts for fun, but we are not professionals! And it takes ages to become one alone. Point is, it would be cool to have more chances. Even unpaid gigs or below decency pay could help. But nothing of this around. Especially because it should be remote. Hope somebody fixes this, if there is really a shortage of programmers I mean.
  - bomatson 14y ago
    What challenges have you faced trying to work with startups on the web dev level? Does it have to be remote?
    - viandante 14y ago
      The main challenge is that start ups, as it is normal, seems to look for top people or with lots of experience. The second challenge is that even if they would consider an unexperienced person, they would not do it remote. I am pretty sure if I lived in the right 'hot' places I could find something, but I don't. It has to be remote as I live in a small city in Germany. I can't move out as I need my job. I don't live my job as I have no idea if start ups would be for me (that's why a remote work would be nice too, to get to know what the job is...). But I noticed I get programming fast, so that's why I always look for a chance to prove myself in there, maybe finance is not for me after all, who knows.
- gmichnikov 14y ago
  I'm yet another person interested in the noob side of this setup (I'm in NYC). My assumption, based on nothing, has been that a person in my shoes would be more likely to interfere than anything else. I am curious to hear if those with experience feel differently. Beyond wanting to help someone out, etc. are there other motivations for someone with experience to want to do this?
  - tsewlliw 14y ago
    if the "noob" has money, domain expertise or connections to help make a new venture happen, that would probably help.

tsewlliw 14y ago

As a fairly experienced programmer, where are all these business guys who are so psyched about learning to code??? Any in AustinTX? I would be seriously psyched to pair with a motivated total "noob" because I remember how exhilarating the first few years are, and how great it is to have your mind blown weekly or monthly by some subtle concept.

spydertennis 14y ago
contact info? =)
- tsewlliw 14y ago
  updated hn: about is it confusing to anyone else which of those are public when looking at the edit form?
  - dwynings 14y ago
    Yes, it's a long-standing issue.
bomatson 14y ago
It is exciting! I've also found it to be insanely great way to express creativity, like when you first learn piano. I'm in LA but would love to hear how you would approach pairing up to work with a 'noob' like me. I'm bobby.matson [a] gmail
jonbishop 14y ago
Wish you were in San Francisco!
viandante 14y ago
For us business guys (and the term is broad, there can be also quite technical/numerical business guys...) is really a struggle convincing anybody that we can code. Yes, we have small tiny demos laying in there (<shameless plug>http://andemo.ep.io http://andemo.ep.io </shameless plug>), or we hack some scripts for fun, but we are not professionals! And it takes ages to become one alone. Point is, it would be cool to have more chances. Even unpaid gigs or below decency pay could help. But nothing of this around. Especially because it should be remote. Hope somebody fixes this, if there is really a shortage of programmers I mean.
- bomatson 14y ago
  What challenges have you faced trying to work with startups on the web dev level? Does it have to be remote?
  - viandante 14y ago
    The main challenge is that start ups, as it is normal, seems to look for top people or with lots of experience. The second challenge is that even if they would consider an unexperienced person, they would not do it remote. I am pretty sure if I lived in the right 'hot' places I could find something, but I don't. It has to be remote as I live in a small city in Germany. I can't move out as I need my job. I don't live my job as I have no idea if start ups would be for me (that's why a remote work would be nice too, to get to know what the job is...). But I noticed I get programming fast, so that's why I always look for a chance to prove myself in there, maybe finance is not for me after all, who knows.
gmichnikov 14y ago
I'm yet another person interested in the noob side of this setup (I'm in NYC). My assumption, based on nothing, has been that a person in my shoes would be more likely to interfere than anything else. I am curious to hear if those with experience feel differently. Beyond wanting to help someone out, etc. are there other motivations for someone with experience to want to do this?
- tsewlliw 14y ago
  if the "noob" has money, domain expertise or connections to help make a new venture happen, that would probably help.