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> they are notoriously overrun but low education bracket people that get into fist fights so vehemently I don’t understand the need to make this elitist statem

by yunohn 3y ago

> they are notoriously overrun but low education bracket people that get into fist fights so vehemently I don’t understand the need to make this elitist statement? In fact, why is shutting up and complaining on HN your preferred solution?

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
>I don’t understand the need to make this elitist statement? What's elitist about some facts? Do you know many chemistry PhDs who get into fist fights or do they tend to avoid conflicts? Overall the more educated and intelligent a populace is, the less physical violence and crime there is. Not everyone who is poorly educated starts fist fights, but people starting fist fights are always poorly educated and low intelect, who give in to their instincts telling them conflicts are solved by acting like a silverback gorilla.
- gnz11 3y ago
  Sometimes they are U.S. Senators [1] or CEOs [2]. [1] https://apnews.com/video/united-states-senate-sean-obrien-markwayne-mullin-national-national-dff91b6bde9348b49a05763e9e472afe https://apnews.com/video/united-states-senate-sean-obrien-ma... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_vs._Mark_Zuckerberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_vs._Mark_Zuckerber...
  - tomashubelbauer 3y ago
    I think there's a difference between a mutually agreed upon fight and an unprovoked attack which is what you'd have a good chance of seeing in swimming pools where I live.
- AniseAbyss 3y ago
  That's bullshit. I see drunk students every day. And they are supposed to be the future elites- may God help us all.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    Now that's some boomer bullshit. Look at adults, not at kids,. Yes, we were all youngsters at one point and did stupid shit as kids (drunken parties, drugs, etc). That doesn't mean most of those haven't straightened up as adults and became peaceful, productive members of society and loving parents to well raised kids who will in turn do stupid shit as teenagers before growing up to become functioning adults.
- op00to 3y ago
  I was physically assaulted by a high ranking PhD in the lab where I worked. Anyone can be crazy.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    That's what academia does to ya'. /s (but only slightly) Yeah anyone can be crazy and assult others, but the frequency of occurrences is what makes the difference.
cubefox 3y ago
This comment is not elitist, it is an unfortunate truth. Moreover, this happened only quite recently. What you are not supposed to say out loud is the fact that the majority of these "low education bracket people" who a behaving badly in public pools are young Muslim men who recently immigrated as refugees.
- jdthedisciple 3y ago
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  - earthnail 3y ago
    I think the parent poster clearly had some passive aggressiveness in their tone - “what you’re not supposed to say out loud” - but I also think it’s wrong to jump to a conclusion that they wanted to group these people with all Muslims in the world. As to the question on how one knows that they are Muslims: it is very apparent. The group of people parent poster describes take up a significant amount of attention. They also often come in larger groups to public spaces, making it extremely intimidating to approach them if you’d like to express some differences. I think it’s a huge mistake to not mention problematic differences under the pretense of political correctness. Berlin certainly tends to do that, and when problems grow so large that they can no longer be ignored, you will have already alienated people who did complain before by not having listened to them before. This is how extreme right wing parties get their voters.
    - sundvor 3y ago
      Yup, 100%. You're not allowed to call a spade a spade anymore. Rightspeak and all that. Everything is always awesome, and don't you dare go against the system. I wish we could decouple this wokeness/madness from the political spectrum, ie have centrist parties with more traditional values without going to / having to go to the extremes. Having traditional values (and I'd perhaps call not being a pest one such traditional value) is not an extreme right thing, believe it or not.
pelasaco 3y ago
> they are notoriously overrun but low education bracket people The poster was already pretty educated in his comment. Let's say that after every summer the right wing party in Germany is earning new voters...

by yunohn 3y ago

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

>I don’t understand the need to make this elitist statement? What's elitist about some facts? Do you know many chemistry PhDs who get into fist fights or do they tend to avoid conflicts? Overall the more educated and intelligent a populace is, the less physical violence and crime there is. Not everyone who is poorly educated starts fist fights, but people starting fist fights are always poorly educated and low intelect, who give in to their instincts telling them conflicts are solved by acting like a silverback gorilla.

gnz11 3y ago
Sometimes they are U.S. Senators [1] or CEOs [2]. [1] https://apnews.com/video/united-states-senate-sean-obrien-markwayne-mullin-national-national-dff91b6bde9348b49a05763e9e472afe https://apnews.com/video/united-states-senate-sean-obrien-ma... [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_vs._Mark_Zuckerberg https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_vs._Mark_Zuckerber...
- tomashubelbauer 3y ago
  I think there's a difference between a mutually agreed upon fight and an unprovoked attack which is what you'd have a good chance of seeing in swimming pools where I live.
AniseAbyss 3y ago
That's bullshit. I see drunk students every day. And they are supposed to be the future elites- may God help us all.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  Now that's some boomer bullshit. Look at adults, not at kids,. Yes, we were all youngsters at one point and did stupid shit as kids (drunken parties, drugs, etc). That doesn't mean most of those haven't straightened up as adults and became peaceful, productive members of society and loving parents to well raised kids who will in turn do stupid shit as teenagers before growing up to become functioning adults.
op00to 3y ago
I was physically assaulted by a high ranking PhD in the lab where I worked. Anyone can be crazy.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  That's what academia does to ya'. /s (but only slightly) Yeah anyone can be crazy and assult others, but the frequency of occurrences is what makes the difference.

cubefox 3y ago

This comment is not elitist, it is an unfortunate truth. Moreover, this happened only quite recently. What you are not supposed to say out loud is the fact that the majority of these "low education bracket people" who a behaving badly in public pools are young Muslim men who recently immigrated as refugees.

jdthedisciple 3y ago
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- earthnail 3y ago
  I think the parent poster clearly had some passive aggressiveness in their tone - “what you’re not supposed to say out loud” - but I also think it’s wrong to jump to a conclusion that they wanted to group these people with all Muslims in the world. As to the question on how one knows that they are Muslims: it is very apparent. The group of people parent poster describes take up a significant amount of attention. They also often come in larger groups to public spaces, making it extremely intimidating to approach them if you’d like to express some differences. I think it’s a huge mistake to not mention problematic differences under the pretense of political correctness. Berlin certainly tends to do that, and when problems grow so large that they can no longer be ignored, you will have already alienated people who did complain before by not having listened to them before. This is how extreme right wing parties get their voters.
  - sundvor 3y ago
    Yup, 100%. You're not allowed to call a spade a spade anymore. Rightspeak and all that. Everything is always awesome, and don't you dare go against the system. I wish we could decouple this wokeness/madness from the political spectrum, ie have centrist parties with more traditional values without going to / having to go to the extremes. Having traditional values (and I'd perhaps call not being a pest one such traditional value) is not an extreme right thing, believe it or not.

pelasaco 3y ago

> they are notoriously overrun but low education bracket people The poster was already pretty educated in his comment. Let's say that after every summer the right wing party in Germany is earning new voters...