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> We're suggesting that people should just use Rust (or Haskell, or F#, or any other robust functional programming language) instead. And how well did that wor

> We're suggesting that people should just use Rust (or Haskell, or F#, or any other robust functional programming language) instead. And how well did that work out for Haskell? https://gist.github.com/graninas/22ab535d2913311e47a742c70f1d2f2b https://gist.github.com/graninas/22ab535d2913311e47a742c70f1... Just because one person thinks Functional Programming is the right way to do it, doesn't mean another person has to agree. The same goes for every paradigm, and language feature under the sun. Different people want different things, different projects have different needs. No single language gets everything right, no single paradigm solves every problem, no feature is a "must have" in every language. A functional approach might be great or a productivity killer depending on the use case. A GC may be the best thing in the world or a performance nightmare. OOP may be a really good idea or a path to unmaintainable crap depending on the implementation. There are no silver bullets. The only thing that is ABSOLUTELY certain: When people get told "Our way is better, you should use our way", despite the fact that there are no silver bullets, people will resist. And that resistance can lead to languages vanishing into obscurity.

tome 3y ago
> And how well did that work out for Haskell? You know this post is speculative fiction, right? It's actually about what could kill Haskell, not what could kill Rust?
- usrbinbash 3y ago
  > It's actually about what could kill Haskell, not what could kill Rust? Here is the articles title: "What killed Haskell, could kill Rust, too" So no, it's not about what could kill Haskell. In 2022, ~0.3% of all code pushed to github was Haskell. To put that number into perspective: vimscript was ~0.25%
  - tome 3y ago
    Yes, I can read the title thanks. The article is about Haskell. The first sentence makes it clear it's speculative fiction presented as if from the year 2030. The article draws a hypothetical analogy between what could happen to Rust in 2030 and what is contemporaneously happening to Haskell.
    - usrbinbash 3y ago
      Yes, I read the article, thanks. Yes, it is a speculative fiction, with a good reason, because the analogies are pretty clear.
      - tome 3y ago
        And to return to the topic at hand, despite that article pointing to some weakness in the Haskell community, Haskell is thriving, so "We're suggesting that people should just use Rust (or Haskell, or F#, or any other robust functional programming language) instead" seems like reasonable advice to me.
        usrbinbash 3y ago
        > Haskell is thriving https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38360177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38360177 So, according to what metric is Haskell "thriving"?
        tome 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that something that occupies 0.3% of an ecosystem can't be thriving? "Thriving" is not the same concept as "widely used" or "popular"!

tome 3y ago

> And how well did that work out for Haskell? You know this post is speculative fiction, right? It's actually about what could kill Haskell, not what could kill Rust?

usrbinbash 3y ago
> It's actually about what could kill Haskell, not what could kill Rust? Here is the articles title: "What killed Haskell, could kill Rust, too" So no, it's not about what could kill Haskell. In 2022, ~0.3% of all code pushed to github was Haskell. To put that number into perspective: vimscript was ~0.25%
- tome 3y ago
  Yes, I can read the title thanks. The article is about Haskell. The first sentence makes it clear it's speculative fiction presented as if from the year 2030. The article draws a hypothetical analogy between what could happen to Rust in 2030 and what is contemporaneously happening to Haskell.
  - usrbinbash 3y ago
    Yes, I read the article, thanks. Yes, it is a speculative fiction, with a good reason, because the analogies are pretty clear.
    - tome 3y ago
      And to return to the topic at hand, despite that article pointing to some weakness in the Haskell community, Haskell is thriving, so "We're suggesting that people should just use Rust (or Haskell, or F#, or any other robust functional programming language) instead" seems like reasonable advice to me.
      - usrbinbash 3y ago
        > Haskell is thriving https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38360177 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38360177 So, according to what metric is Haskell "thriving"?
        tome 3y ago
        I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that something that occupies 0.3% of an ecosystem can't be thriving? "Thriving" is not the same concept as "widely used" or "popular"!