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His recent tweet, 'I love the openai team so much,' followed by hundreds of retweets with a heart emoji from OpenAI staff, makes me believe that he will return

His recent tweet, 'I love the openai team so much,' followed by hundreds of retweets with a heart emoji from OpenAI staff, makes me believe that he will return back.

tibbydudeza 3y ago
Possible but the board and chief scientist will need to go.
- threatripper 3y ago
  Who could make them go?
  - reustle 3y ago
    Apparently a huge number of staff members threatened to quit unless the board resigned.
    - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
      Given the drama on the board, seems like it would be best to reset it. The board members that voted Sam out had conflicts of interest. With the board not being fully staffed, it seems like a few that were left suddenly had too much power, too much conflicting interest, and really shouldn't have been allowed to make such sweeping changes. Like their should have been some board rules on filling positions before allowing firing a CEO or some other guard rails. https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158
      - Scarblac 3y ago
        Would that help much when it's the same board that elects new members to itself?
      - b112 3y ago
        Whether it's a country, a company, or even a family, external threat forges bonds, and lets internal conflict seem trivial. With no external threat, internal strife grows. Effectively, we're wired to search for, identify, and deal with the most current, visible threat. OpenAI is very much far in the lead. If it was fiscally sound, but had visible competitors on its heels, I bet this little coup wouldn't have happened. It is amusing to me, that if there is no threat, or high threat, people can fall apart. Only with some-but-not-too-much threat, is perfect harmony achieved.
        MandieD 3y ago
        Autoimmune disease, but for organizations/societies instead of individual organisms.
- belter 3y ago
  Reason being?
karmasimida 3y ago
This news is before that happens: Nov 18, 2023 6:05 p.m.
ksec 3y ago
I much rather he start a different venture.
ryeights 3y ago
the next all-lowercase tweet with minimal punctuation i have to read is going to make me lose it
- adastra22 3y ago
  Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or lacking self-awareness.
  - b112 3y ago
    Wouldn't it be loads of self-awareness? Clearly aware of internal angst.
    - adastra22 3y ago
      I meant that it was a no-punctuation HN post lacking capitalization.
      - b112 3y ago
        Ah, heh. Missed that.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  i'm working on a programming language and i made everything lowercase mandatorily.
  - belter 3y ago
    "keyboard manufacturers hate him for this one simple trick" :-)
  - nottheengineer 3y ago
    You'll love this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP
- 0xbadc0de5 3y ago
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nullptr_deref 3y ago
OpenAI staff in product and applied research. Didn't see any from the hardcore agi/safety research. So there is some internal division already.
- kmlevitt 3y ago
  Who is actually responsible for the real innovation there? I read Ilya was a co-author on the papers that made GPT and Dall-E possible in the first place. Is anybody in that weight class publicly siding with Sam, or is it all people working on APIs etc.?
  - sashank_1509 3y ago
    Going through GPT-4 contributors list Ilya and Sam are both under additional contributors with nothing specific attached to their name. I take this to mean they didn’t contribute anything specific but OpenAI thanks them for their service. Greg brockmann is infra lead, Jacob Pachoki is overall lead of GPT4! and optimization lead, Szymon Sidor is optimization vice lead and these are all people who publicly resigned with Sam Altmans ouster. Now going through ChatGPT contributors list, there is no mention of Ilya or Sam, but Greg, Jacob and Szymon are mentioned. When it comes to the GPT3 paper: Ilya is thanked as an advisor, Greg sam or the rest are not mentioned. It seems like most of the leads created Anthropic. In my own observations, Ilya stopped doing much for OpenAI since around 2019, he was mostly an advisor and gave talks here and there. He was most likely not responsible for the innovation behind OpenAI. An early codebase of GPT-3 was credited to Prafulla Dhariwal, and its lead was Tom Brown. ChatGPT seems to have been led by John Schulman. GPT-4 by Jacob Pachoki. Greg seems to be involved in setting up the infrastructure code for large GPU clusters and training. Clearly the folk with the skills to build and innovate in OpenAI prefer Sam as CEO and that says a lot about Sams leadership
    - kmlevitt 3y ago
      I get that he didn’t work on these things day to day, but ultimately who was responsible for the innovations that made these programs possible in the first place? For example, was anyone at OpenAI involved in the creation of transformers?

His recent tweet, 'I love the openai team so much,' followed by hundreds of retweets with a heart emoji from OpenAI staff, makes me believe that he will return back.

tibbydudeza 3y ago

Possible but the board and chief scientist will need to go.

threatripper 3y ago
Who could make them go?
- reustle 3y ago
  Apparently a huge number of staff members threatened to quit unless the board resigned.
  - FrustratedMonky 3y ago
    Given the drama on the board, seems like it would be best to reset it. The board members that voted Sam out had conflicts of interest. With the board not being fully staffed, it seems like a few that were left suddenly had too much power, too much conflicting interest, and really shouldn't have been allowed to make such sweeping changes. Like their should have been some board rules on filling positions before allowing firing a CEO or some other guard rails. https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158
    - Scarblac 3y ago
      Would that help much when it's the same board that elects new members to itself?
    - b112 3y ago
      Whether it's a country, a company, or even a family, external threat forges bonds, and lets internal conflict seem trivial. With no external threat, internal strife grows. Effectively, we're wired to search for, identify, and deal with the most current, visible threat. OpenAI is very much far in the lead. If it was fiscally sound, but had visible competitors on its heels, I bet this little coup wouldn't have happened. It is amusing to me, that if there is no threat, or high threat, people can fall apart. Only with some-but-not-too-much threat, is perfect harmony achieved.
      - MandieD 3y ago
        Autoimmune disease, but for organizations/societies instead of individual organisms.
belter 3y ago
Reason being?

karmasimida 3y ago

This news is before that happens: Nov 18, 2023 6:05 p.m.

ksec 3y ago

I much rather he start a different venture.

ryeights 3y ago

the next all-lowercase tweet with minimal punctuation i have to read is going to make me lose it

adastra22 3y ago
Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or lacking self-awareness.
- b112 3y ago
  Wouldn't it be loads of self-awareness? Clearly aware of internal angst.
  - adastra22 3y ago
    I meant that it was a no-punctuation HN post lacking capitalization.
    - b112 3y ago
      Ah, heh. Missed that.
3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
i'm working on a programming language and i made everything lowercase mandatorily.
- belter 3y ago
  "keyboard manufacturers hate him for this one simple trick" :-)
- nottheengineer 3y ago
  You'll love this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP
0xbadc0de5 3y ago

deleted 3y ago

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nullptr_deref 3y ago

OpenAI staff in product and applied research. Didn't see any from the hardcore agi/safety research. So there is some internal division already.

kmlevitt 3y ago
Who is actually responsible for the real innovation there? I read Ilya was a co-author on the papers that made GPT and Dall-E possible in the first place. Is anybody in that weight class publicly siding with Sam, or is it all people working on APIs etc.?
- sashank_1509 3y ago
  Going through GPT-4 contributors list Ilya and Sam are both under additional contributors with nothing specific attached to their name. I take this to mean they didn’t contribute anything specific but OpenAI thanks them for their service. Greg brockmann is infra lead, Jacob Pachoki is overall lead of GPT4! and optimization lead, Szymon Sidor is optimization vice lead and these are all people who publicly resigned with Sam Altmans ouster. Now going through ChatGPT contributors list, there is no mention of Ilya or Sam, but Greg, Jacob and Szymon are mentioned. When it comes to the GPT3 paper: Ilya is thanked as an advisor, Greg sam or the rest are not mentioned. It seems like most of the leads created Anthropic. In my own observations, Ilya stopped doing much for OpenAI since around 2019, he was mostly an advisor and gave talks here and there. He was most likely not responsible for the innovation behind OpenAI. An early codebase of GPT-3 was credited to Prafulla Dhariwal, and its lead was Tom Brown. ChatGPT seems to have been led by John Schulman. GPT-4 by Jacob Pachoki. Greg seems to be involved in setting up the infrastructure code for large GPU clusters and training. Clearly the folk with the skills to build and innovate in OpenAI prefer Sam as CEO and that says a lot about Sams leadership
  - kmlevitt 3y ago
    I get that he didn’t work on these things day to day, but ultimately who was responsible for the innovations that made these programs possible in the first place? For example, was anyone at OpenAI involved in the creation of transformers?