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You're right in the absolute, but the issue here is that YT has a monopoly. So if it gets too easy for them to make people abandon ad blocking like this, what s

You're right in the absolute, but the issue here is that YT has a monopoly. So if it gets too easy for them to make people abandon ad blocking like this, what stops them from rising their prices every year ? I see this as a nice "balance" that reminds them (if enough people don't cave in) that their monopoly is not giving them a free rein to do anything they want.

madeofpalk 3y ago
Between Reddit, TikTok, Twitch, Instagram, etc Youtube hardly has a monopoly.
- bhdlr 3y ago
  It's like people are being intentionally obtuse in this thread, almost like there's a bunch of paid shills Let's read your list and consider which of those options hosts long form video content Reddit: a link aggregator, not a video hosting site Tiktok: Chinese data collection machine that hosts very short form videos Instagram: data collection machine that hosts pictures your mom likes and short form videos Twitch: focused on streaming and gaming, not a YouTube competitor
  - delecti 3y ago
    Depending on your threshold for "long form", nearly all of them: Reddit has supported direct video uploads for literal years, maybe 5 years at this point, and up to 15 minutes in length. TikTok also collecting your data doesn't change that it hosts videos, and supports up to 10 minutes, and that limit has been increasing as they try to be a more general purpose video platform. Instagram hosts pictures, but also livestreams and videos, both short-form (a few minutes), and long-form (IGTV supports to an hour). Twitch is the only one that seems to clearly not support long-form video content, but even then it's still a competitor because that's not all Youtube does either.
    - mutualaidwins 3y ago
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  - jfdbcv 3y ago
    TikTok absolutely is a competitor. I'm not sure why it has to host long form content for it to be considered a competitor. If more people get their video entertainment from TikTok, then they watch YouTube less. Most blatantly, YouTube literally launched shorts recently - an exact TikTok competitor clone.
gmgmgmgmgm 3y ago
They are quickly losing that monopoly to TikTok. It's only a matter of time. TicTok has added 10 minute videos. When they add 1hr videos it will mostly be the end of YouTube's monopoly Which, FWIW, they got there by being the only player. It's interesting that no one else has really tried until TikTok
- ranguna 3y ago
  I thought tiktok only had brainless videos though.
  - realusername 3y ago
    Maybe that was true in the past but there's a lot of high value production nowadays on it, including short series.
  - fma 3y ago
    TikTok is eating the lunch of YouTube, Instagram and Facebook & expanding content by attracting higher quality creators. They're even expanding into shopping. At one point, YouTube only had random videos or pirated shows.
    - ADuckOnQuack 3y ago
      Tim Tok has been struggling with a massive problem where many creators that actually start to get big on the platform end up migrating to YouTube anyway because their pay sucks compared to YouTube, the same goes for instagram and every other platform in the industry. Youtube has a lot of problems but nobody pays better than them https://youtu.be/jAZapFzpP64?si=KrLqetuhzmer2T8H https://youtu.be/jAZapFzpP64?si=KrLqetuhzmer2T8H
  - Max-q 3y ago
    Nope, content creators are moving en masse due to more fair payout model
    - Jensson 3y ago
GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
YT doesn't have a monopoly, it has market share because 99% of the users watch content for free (via ads). If they made everyone pay or the ads were unbearable you'd see the market shift to other youtube front ends or other streaming sites entirely. Personally, I pay for YT premium since it's a slightly better way to support creators (that I don't directly pay via Patreon) and I get Youtube Music. If they raised their prices unreasonably, I'd just enable my youtube-dl script on my plex server and watch for free there.
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- gentleman11 3y ago
  Where exactly are YouTube’s competitors? It has none for 99% of the content I watch, although udemy is good for beginner courses
  - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
    Directly: sites like Twitch are close. Indirectly: Netflix, HBO, etc. all compete for screen-based entertainment. I also watch a lot of Youtube, outside of a couple of good movies and TV shows that I stream from my plex. So YT premium makes a lot of sense for me
    - skinnymuch 3y ago
      Do you use Twitch? I don’t really see the direct competition besides YouTube’s small amount of live streamers that directly compete with Twitch streamers.
      - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
        Tiktok is probably a better direct competitor, but I see twitch and youtube as fairly comparable
  - jfdbcv 3y ago

madeofpalk 3y ago

Between Reddit, TikTok, Twitch, Instagram, etc Youtube hardly has a monopoly.

bhdlr 3y ago
It's like people are being intentionally obtuse in this thread, almost like there's a bunch of paid shills Let's read your list and consider which of those options hosts long form video content Reddit: a link aggregator, not a video hosting site Tiktok: Chinese data collection machine that hosts very short form videos Instagram: data collection machine that hosts pictures your mom likes and short form videos Twitch: focused on streaming and gaming, not a YouTube competitor
- delecti 3y ago
  Depending on your threshold for "long form", nearly all of them: Reddit has supported direct video uploads for literal years, maybe 5 years at this point, and up to 15 minutes in length. TikTok also collecting your data doesn't change that it hosts videos, and supports up to 10 minutes, and that limit has been increasing as they try to be a more general purpose video platform. Instagram hosts pictures, but also livestreams and videos, both short-form (a few minutes), and long-form (IGTV supports to an hour). Twitch is the only one that seems to clearly not support long-form video content, but even then it's still a competitor because that's not all Youtube does either.
  - mutualaidwins 3y ago
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- jfdbcv 3y ago
  TikTok absolutely is a competitor. I'm not sure why it has to host long form content for it to be considered a competitor. If more people get their video entertainment from TikTok, then they watch YouTube less. Most blatantly, YouTube literally launched shorts recently - an exact TikTok competitor clone.

gmgmgmgmgm 3y ago

They are quickly losing that monopoly to TikTok. It's only a matter of time. TicTok has added 10 minute videos. When they add 1hr videos it will mostly be the end of YouTube's monopoly Which, FWIW, they got there by being the only player. It's interesting that no one else has really tried until TikTok

ranguna 3y ago
I thought tiktok only had brainless videos though.
- realusername 3y ago
  Maybe that was true in the past but there's a lot of high value production nowadays on it, including short series.
- fma 3y ago
  TikTok is eating the lunch of YouTube, Instagram and Facebook & expanding content by attracting higher quality creators. They're even expanding into shopping. At one point, YouTube only had random videos or pirated shows.
  - ADuckOnQuack 3y ago
    Tim Tok has been struggling with a massive problem where many creators that actually start to get big on the platform end up migrating to YouTube anyway because their pay sucks compared to YouTube, the same goes for instagram and every other platform in the industry. Youtube has a lot of problems but nobody pays better than them https://youtu.be/jAZapFzpP64?si=KrLqetuhzmer2T8H https://youtu.be/jAZapFzpP64?si=KrLqetuhzmer2T8H
- Max-q 3y ago
  Nope, content creators are moving en masse due to more fair payout model
  - Jensson 3y ago

GaryNumanVevo 3y ago

YT doesn't have a monopoly, it has market share because 99% of the users watch content for free (via ads). If they made everyone pay or the ads were unbearable you'd see the market shift to other youtube front ends or other streaming sites entirely. Personally, I pay for YT premium since it's a slightly better way to support creators (that I don't directly pay via Patreon) and I get Youtube Music. If they raised their prices unreasonably, I'd just enable my youtube-dl script on my plex server and watch for free there.

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gentleman11 3y ago
Where exactly are YouTube’s competitors? It has none for 99% of the content I watch, although udemy is good for beginner courses
- GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
  Directly: sites like Twitch are close. Indirectly: Netflix, HBO, etc. all compete for screen-based entertainment. I also watch a lot of Youtube, outside of a couple of good movies and TV shows that I stream from my plex. So YT premium makes a lot of sense for me
  - skinnymuch 3y ago
    Do you use Twitch? I don’t really see the direct competition besides YouTube’s small amount of live streamers that directly compete with Twitch streamers.
    - GaryNumanVevo 3y ago
      Tiktok is probably a better direct competitor, but I see twitch and youtube as fairly comparable
- jfdbcv 3y ago