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Ousted OpenAI CEO Sam Altman reportedly planning new AI venture
- hubraumhugo 3y agoHis recent tweet, 'I love the openai team so much,' followed by hundreds of retweets with a heart emoji from OpenAI staff, makes me believe that he will return back.
- tibbydudeza 3y agoPossible but the board and chief scientist will need to go.
- threatripper 3y agoWho could make them go?
- reustle 3y agoApparently a huge number of staff members threatened to quit unless the board resigned.
- FrustratedMonky 3y agoGiven the drama on the board, seems like it would be best to reset it. The board members that voted Sam out had conflicts of interest. With the board not being fully staffed, it seems like a few that were left suddenly had too much power, too much conflicting interest, and really shouldn't have been allowed to make such sweeping changes. Like their should have been some board rules on filling positions before allowing firing a CEO or some other guard rails. https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://loeber.substack.com/p/a-timeline-of-the-openai-board https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38330158
- Scarblac 3y agoWould that help much when it's the same board that elects new members to itself?
- b112 3y agoWhether it's a country, a company, or even a family, external threat forges bonds, and lets internal conflict seem trivial. With no external threat, internal strife grows. Effectively, we're wired to search for, identify, and deal with the most current, visible threat. OpenAI is very much far in the lead. If it was fiscally sound, but had visible competitors on its heels, I bet this little coup wouldn't have happened. It is amusing to me, that if there is no threat, or high threat, people can fall apart. Only with some-but-not-too-much threat, is perfect harmony achieved.
- MandieD 3y agoAutoimmune disease, but for organizations/societies instead of individual organisms.
- belter 3y agoReason being?
- karmasimida 3y agoThis news is before that happens: Nov 18, 2023 6:05 p.m.
- ksec 3y agoI much rather he start a different venture.
- ryeights 3y agothe next all-lowercase tweet with minimal punctuation i have to read is going to make me lose it
- adastra22 3y agoCan’t tell if this is sarcasm or lacking self-awareness.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y agoi'm working on a programming language and i made everything lowercase mandatorily.
- belter 3y ago"keyboard manufacturers hate him for this one simple trick" :-)
- nottheengineer 3y agoYou'll love this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABAP
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- nullptr_deref 3y agoOpenAI staff in product and applied research. Didn't see any from the hardcore agi/safety research. So there is some internal division already.
- kmlevitt 3y agoWho is actually responsible for the real innovation there? I read Ilya was a co-author on the papers that made GPT and Dall-E possible in the first place. Is anybody in that weight class publicly siding with Sam, or is it all people working on APIs etc.?
- sashank_1509 3y agoGoing through GPT-4 contributors list Ilya and Sam are both under additional contributors with nothing specific attached to their name. I take this to mean they didn’t contribute anything specific but OpenAI thanks them for their service. Greg brockmann is infra lead, Jacob Pachoki is overall lead of GPT4! and optimization lead, Szymon Sidor is optimization vice lead and these are all people who publicly resigned with Sam Altmans ouster. Now going through ChatGPT contributors list, there is no mention of Ilya or Sam, but Greg, Jacob and Szymon are mentioned. When it comes to the GPT3 paper: Ilya is thanked as an advisor, Greg sam or the rest are not mentioned. It seems like most of the leads created Anthropic. In my own observations, Ilya stopped doing much for OpenAI since around 2019, he was mostly an advisor and gave talks here and there. He was most likely not responsible for the innovation behind OpenAI. An early codebase of GPT-3 was credited to Prafulla Dhariwal, and its lead was Tom Brown. ChatGPT seems to have been led by John Schulman. GPT-4 by Jacob Pachoki. Greg seems to be involved in setting up the infrastructure code for large GPU clusters and training. Clearly the folk with the skills to build and innovate in OpenAI prefer Sam as CEO and that says a lot about Sams leadership
- kmlevitt 3y agoI get that he didn’t work on these things day to day, but ultimately who was responsible for the innovations that made these programs possible in the first place? For example, was anyone at OpenAI involved in the creation of transformers?
- Tomte 3y agoWell, we'll see how big the moat really is. That's what I find most interesting in this.
- mattlondon 3y agoYeah this was what I was thinking - by its nature this research is very much out in the open. Anyone and everyone is training their own LLMs that have comparable capabilities to ChatGPT (even individuals on single nodes are able to host small models now) What is the moat for ChatGPT and OpenAI? Apart from huge financial backing from MS (and cheaper compute?) If he starts something new I suspect funding won't be a problem and you can bet your bottom dollar that Amazon, Facebook, Google, Twitter and everyone else will be sniffing around like crazy so money won't be an issue I am sure. Time to sell any OpenAI investments I guess?
- janejeon 3y agoI wonder if this is going to be like the SVB situation where a bunch of people are putting out fires behind the scenes over the weekend and then somehow on Monday we go back to business as usual (whatever that would mean for this specific case).
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- smcl 3y agoHold up. I figured there was some kind of scandal behind his departure, but this sounds a bit far-fetched
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- smcl 3y agoOhhhh, sorry this sounded like random nonsense sometimes see from greentext accounts. Why wasn't this covered more, is that maybe not her real account?
- nullc 3y agoIt's been covered but it's quickly flagged, which is presumably why you haven't seen it. It's old enough that it seems kind of dubious that it's related.
- threatofrain 3y agoSam Altman's sister does indeed make these claims but they can't ever be substantiated one way or another.
- Lewton 3y agoDude is morally bankrupt, abusing poverty gap to harvest biometric data via his cryptoscam I’m disheartened by the “Open”AI employees backing him and pretty surprised at how many hn’ers think so highly of him (especially considering the anti-crypto bent this place has)
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y agoIt depends what he wants to do with this data. Worldcoin was a botched launch, and one could see this from a mile away, which does speak for his "move quick, break things" attitude, which is indeed alarming. The whole idea of Worldcoin is raising eyebrows. But is he morally bankrupt "abusing poverty", or just naive and willing to take risks is subject to debate. What do you think is the use of scanning eyeballs of poor people? Mostly to train the AI how to recognize eyeballs. Which kind of is the point of the tech.
- nullc 3y agoJust consider how much worse the alternative must be.
- barnabee 3y agoFT reporting investors pushing to get him back at OpenAI https://www.ft.com/content/466bf00a-1e76-4255-be2b-3c1d37508031 https://www.ft.com/content/466bf00a-1e76-4255-be2b-3c1d37508... unpaywalled- https://archive.ph/zZWUy https://archive.ph/zZWUy
- belter 3y ago"...One of the people, a leading investor in OpenAI, is confident that they can dispose of the board and reinstate Altman and Brockman before the weekend is out. Investors are hoping that Altman would return to a company “which has been his life’s work,” and that Mira Murati, promoted from chief technology officer to interim chief executive on Friday, would stay at the company, added the person..." Note to the upcoming Netflix Series writers. Keep on working on those dialog pages...
- noncoml 3y agoHe should call it LibreAI
- seydor 3y agoto ruin one more prefix?
- lvl102 3y agoMicrosoft is forcing him back. This whole news cycle is insane.
- xiphias2 3y agoIt seems like he was already planning a new AI venture even though he always said that he's ,,rich enough''.
- 0xbadc0de5 3y agoOur mistake was expecting this situation to be a tragedy when the actors are actually performing a comedy.