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It was neither ignorance nor dishonesty, my friend. It was measuring Tesla according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church at his time in history. And I

It was neither ignorance nor dishonesty, my friend. It was measuring Tesla according to the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church at his time in history. And I mentioned "atomism as a theory of science" under the instrumentalism part of my comment. In Catholic Theology, philosophy always means "ontological interpretation". That section you quoted is saying that Catholics are allowed to believe in atomism as an instrumental model, but not as the ultimate interpretation of how the Universe works.

User23 3y ago
> In Catholic Theology, philosophy always means "ontological interpretation" That's a rather bold claim. It implies that Catholic theologians are, among other things, uninterested in ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology, just to name a few other subjects of interest to philosophers. I'm frankly baffled that you would reach such a conclusion, but OK. > Catholics are allowed to believe in atomism as an instrumental model, but not as the ultimate interpretation of how the Universe works Well to be Catholic you have to believe in an ultimate eternal God, so ultimately we believe that everything in the universe is both created and sustained by Him and everything observable is some kind of instrumentality, be it evolution, quantum electrodynamics, or anything else. Nevertheless that doesn't in any pragmatic way restrict one's ability to form scientific hypotheses or theories. Indeed it's arguably closer to the Newtonian ideal of focusing on accurate description of phenomena.
- Konohamaru 3y ago
  > is some kind of instrumentality, be it evolution, quantum electrodynamics, or anything else Where can I learn more about instrumentality (besides Neon Genesis Evangelion)?
  - User23 3y ago
    The Bible, the Catechism, various works by Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine, Aquinas, to name a few, and the liturgical prayers of the Church to name just a few sources. I assume the Eva reference is meant to be mocking, but the Japanese artists who created it were very much intrigued and influenced by western theological and spiritual thought. Much like how many westerners are intrigued and influenced by eastern theological and spiritual thought. In short, instrumentality deals with the how of God achieving His will. God, the incarnation excepted, is pure spirit, so in order to achieve His will materially He created and then used physical laws, among other things. The Big Bang is the greatest billiard break in cosmic history. So, for the well-formed Catholic, the possibility and apparent likelihood that God achieved the creation of Man using, among other instruments, evolution from lower life forms, isn't at all a problem.

User23 3y ago

> In Catholic Theology, philosophy always means "ontological interpretation" That's a rather bold claim. It implies that Catholic theologians are, among other things, uninterested in ethics, aesthetics, metaphysics, and epistemology, just to name a few other subjects of interest to philosophers. I'm frankly baffled that you would reach such a conclusion, but OK. > Catholics are allowed to believe in atomism as an instrumental model, but not as the ultimate interpretation of how the Universe works Well to be Catholic you have to believe in an ultimate eternal God, so ultimately we believe that everything in the universe is both created and sustained by Him and everything observable is some kind of instrumentality, be it evolution, quantum electrodynamics, or anything else. Nevertheless that doesn't in any pragmatic way restrict one's ability to form scientific hypotheses or theories. Indeed it's arguably closer to the Newtonian ideal of focusing on accurate description of phenomena.

Konohamaru 3y ago
> is some kind of instrumentality, be it evolution, quantum electrodynamics, or anything else Where can I learn more about instrumentality (besides Neon Genesis Evangelion)?
- User23 3y ago
  The Bible, the Catechism, various works by Ambrose, Jerome, Augustine, Aquinas, to name a few, and the liturgical prayers of the Church to name just a few sources. I assume the Eva reference is meant to be mocking, but the Japanese artists who created it were very much intrigued and influenced by western theological and spiritual thought. Much like how many westerners are intrigued and influenced by eastern theological and spiritual thought. In short, instrumentality deals with the how of God achieving His will. God, the incarnation excepted, is pure spirit, so in order to achieve His will materially He created and then used physical laws, among other things. The Big Bang is the greatest billiard break in cosmic history. So, for the well-formed Catholic, the possibility and apparent likelihood that God achieved the creation of Man using, among other instruments, evolution from lower life forms, isn't at all a problem.