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at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.
by supergirl 3y ago
at this point returning would make the situation worse. better a completely fresh start if openai is to have a future.
- floydnoel 3y agoNo, not necessarily any more than Steve Jobs returning to Apple made it worse.
- gumballindie 3y agoWhat’s up with comparing altman to steve jobs? He’s well behind him on the scale of leadership, inspiration, vision, and not to mention he had little to no contribution to ai, other than a crypto style aggressive marketing campaign, sprinkled with fud fomo and gaslighting.
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoThis is a site run by YCombinator. Altman is Paul Graham's bud, and YCombinator alumni.
- bigyikes 3y agoNot saying you're wrong, but the analogy is easy to draw. Both are CEOs, both were ousted, both are charismatic, Apple is the most valuable company in history, and OpenAI is among the fastest growing in history.
- timeon 3y agoUsing analogy is often fallacy.
- hello_moto 3y agoCharismatic? Altman? Hmmmm
- ahmedhosssam 3y agoJobs are so influential, Sam has his own kind of charisma and persona, as same as Musk.
- glitchc 3y agoAgreed. The cult of personality seems to have a strong grip on the US zeitgeist. Technology is the new religion and Musk/Altman are the new messiahs, with Jobs and Gates as the patron saints.
- brookst 3y agoIt’s funny how those who most decry cults end up sounding so cultish. The opposite of cult worship is NOT cult antipathy.
- the_only_law 3y agoIt’s mostly just this site and the SV delusion it’s connected with. I’d bet if you ask random Americans, they would have no idea who Altman even is.
- glitchc 3y agoNah, you can replace Sam with a deity of choice depending on the group, ex. Taylor Swift. As organized religion recedes, people fill the vacuum with gods of their own making.
- ekms 3y agoYeah the abrupt vibe shift on HN with regards to altman is pretty odd. Suddenly he's a Jobs-esque product visionary?
- ChatGTP 3y agoI remember when people loathed him on here. Worldcoin etc? He seems slimy as hell and I’m giving Ilya the benefit of the doubt.
- ryeights 3y agoUndoubtedly, there are a lot of HN posters with a vested interest in OpenAI's continued success… Talk is cheap when it doesn't affect your bottom line.
- gumballindie 3y agoThat’s an interesting point. Many folks may have started companies around openai’s product, thus defending their turf. Probably fearing they might be freed if the new ceo decides to lock api access.
- crazygringo 3y agoI think you're reading into it too much. It's not a comparison of personal talent. It's simply the best known case of a highly visible CEO of a popular, groundbreaking company being ousted by the board. So the comparison is natural. Apple and OpenAI are definitely similarly groundbreaking companies in the eye of the consumer.
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- NewsGotHacked 3y agoJobs didn't return to Apple after a couple days
- jjtheblunt 3y agoIn a sense, Apple returned to Jobs, in order to acquire NeXTSTEP.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoSam wins either way and holds all the power with Microsoft’s backing. The only question is whether OpenAI survives (it will not if Sam and Microsoft go elsewhere) and who gets purged post coup attempt.
- CPLX 3y agoIn the left corner, Microsoft and the guy that founded Loopt. In the right corner the company that created and still completely controls GPT-4. Why are you so sure about who wins this face off?
- paulddraper 3y agoGPT-4 costs insane amounts of money
- toomuchtodo 3y agoBecause you can't train and operate models at scale with ideology. Costs money and compute. Without funding and compute, OpenAI is a bunch of smart folks with laptops talking AI safety in an office until the cashflow dries up. People who want to get paid or are loyal to Sam will follow Sam. Microsoft is clearly behind Sam. "Whoever holds the gold makes the rules." EDIT: gkoberger said it far better, and captures the value beyond the physical and fiat components of the power struggle: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38337782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38337782 "I don't think he's on his own. All those people he helped in the past have come out to support him. Almost his entire company (minus the board) has publicly supported him. His team is currently hosting him at the office with hopes to reinstate him. The CEO who temporarily replaced him has publicly and privately supported his return. OpenAI's investors are backing him. His cofounder quit in solidarity. Turns out the secret to getting through something like this is to simply have spent the past 15+ years genuinely helping everyone you've ever come across."
- CPLX 3y agoOpenAI has the most valuable new technology product in a generation and it’s already monetized. It’s also a charity and could give a fuck about growth beyond the extent needed to meet their goals. The idea that Microsoft is somehow the one irreplaceable part of this formula is completely fucking bizzare.
- huytersd 3y agoI don’t believe so. Just get rid of Mira, Hellen and Tasha and they’re back to being golden.