I am probably close to an engineer like you describe them. But managers you describe are, to repeat your words, so tiresomely dumb, that they think they could

I am probably close to an engineer like you describe them. But managers you describe are, to repeat your words, so tiresomely dumb, that they think they could have a sustainable business without such engineers. I have left seemingly successful tech companies and 6 months - 2 years later they were bancrupt. I won't claim just because of me leaving, but because of enough engineers getting fed up with management and their originally great product detoriating quickly. The advantage for me as an engineer is that I valuable creative working environment over getting rich and powerful.