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This seems like BS that the Altman camp is feeding to the media. I very much doubt a single engineer or scientist would side with him and leave with him - most

This seems like BS that the Altman camp is feeding to the media. I very much doubt a single engineer or scientist would side with him and leave with him - most likely it's his cronies he put up in other executive positions. However, if you check their backgrounds, none of them have any meaningful experience pre-openAI - I am skeptical any would actually leave their opportunity of a lifetime.

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empath75 3y ago
Four top engineers already quit.
- ekianjo 3y ago
  Out of how many?
  - gkoberger 3y ago
    Doesn't matter, the original statement being refuted was "I very much doubt a single engineer or scientist would side with him"
gkoberger 3y ago
Three people resigned yesterday: Jakub Pachocki, the company’s director of research; Aleksander Madry, head of a team evaluating potential risks from AI, and Szymon Sidor, a seven-year researcher. I know a good number of OpenAI people, and every single person I know is supportive of Sam. (This may be selection bias, of course, but there are a large number of people who are on Sam's side in all of this) Even if this wasn't the case, this debacle kneecapped the $80Bn tender offer from Thrive, meaning a large number of employees will not receive the money they believed they would be getting.
- grmpok 3y ago
  You are saying these two facts like they are separate. That's a bit flippant but its no surprise to me that that there are people who know Sam personally and are supportive of him, that's pretty much how people work. Especially when working and living in SV bubble and Sam is a person who had seemingly mastered that world, as someone who can raise billions of dollars etc. Even if they don't consciously associate him with monetary success, they certainly would associate him with success generally. From my very outside and mostly uninformed perspective, Sam just seems like a very good salesman (some would say grifter) and is far from infallible.
- RetpolineDrama 3y ago
  >I know a good number of OpenAI people, and every single person I know is supportive of Sam. FWIW: I spend an insane amount of money with OpenAI each month, more than the average income in the US. I'm not a Fortune 500 or anything, but I emailed my OpenAI enterprise account rep and let them know if this ends with Altman _not_ the CEO I'm terminating our account. I had always had "alternatives" on my list of to-dos, and now I'm losing my whole weekend to this garbage thanks to the morons on the OpenAI board.
  - s1artibartfast 3y ago
    Just Curious why? what does it mean to you and your business?
meowtimemania 3y ago
Are engineers compensated with cash? I wonder if the Sam Altman version of OpenAI is more lucrative for employees than the alternative OpenAI. So as a result of the recent changes, there is an employee exodus to places with greater compensation
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Employees at OpenAI can get multiples of their salary elsewhere, but have huge stock option packages contingent on investment and profits.

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empath75 3y ago

Four top engineers already quit.

ekianjo 3y ago
Out of how many?
- gkoberger 3y ago
  Doesn't matter, the original statement being refuted was "I very much doubt a single engineer or scientist would side with him"

gkoberger 3y ago

Three people resigned yesterday: Jakub Pachocki, the company’s director of research; Aleksander Madry, head of a team evaluating potential risks from AI, and Szymon Sidor, a seven-year researcher. I know a good number of OpenAI people, and every single person I know is supportive of Sam. (This may be selection bias, of course, but there are a large number of people who are on Sam's side in all of this) Even if this wasn't the case, this debacle kneecapped the $80Bn tender offer from Thrive, meaning a large number of employees will not receive the money they believed they would be getting.

grmpok 3y ago
You are saying these two facts like they are separate. That's a bit flippant but its no surprise to me that that there are people who know Sam personally and are supportive of him, that's pretty much how people work. Especially when working and living in SV bubble and Sam is a person who had seemingly mastered that world, as someone who can raise billions of dollars etc. Even if they don't consciously associate him with monetary success, they certainly would associate him with success generally. From my very outside and mostly uninformed perspective, Sam just seems like a very good salesman (some would say grifter) and is far from infallible.
RetpolineDrama 3y ago
>I know a good number of OpenAI people, and every single person I know is supportive of Sam. FWIW: I spend an insane amount of money with OpenAI each month, more than the average income in the US. I'm not a Fortune 500 or anything, but I emailed my OpenAI enterprise account rep and let them know if this ends with Altman _not_ the CEO I'm terminating our account. I had always had "alternatives" on my list of to-dos, and now I'm losing my whole weekend to this garbage thanks to the morons on the OpenAI board.
- s1artibartfast 3y ago
  Just Curious why? what does it mean to you and your business?

meowtimemania 3y ago

Are engineers compensated with cash? I wonder if the Sam Altman version of OpenAI is more lucrative for employees than the alternative OpenAI. So as a result of the recent changes, there is an employee exodus to places with greater compensation

s1artibartfast 3y ago
Employees at OpenAI can get multiples of their salary elsewhere, but have huge stock option packages contingent on investment and profits.