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> creators actually get paid Until I see a report of exactly how much my monthly fee directly goes to each of my subscribed channels, I'm never going to believ

by zulban 3y ago

> creators actually get paid Until I see a report of exactly how much my monthly fee directly goes to each of my subscribed channels, I'm never going to believe that.

hombre_fatal 3y ago
How much do they get from you right now with adblock?
dymk 3y ago
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- barneygale 3y ago
  I pay them via Patreon. Google will never see any of my money.
  - dymk 3y ago
    I wouldn't believe you if you told me you're subscribed to every Patreon of every content creator you consume the content of. And again: avoiding paying the platform operators no matter the cost.
    - latexr 3y ago
      > I wouldn't believe you if you told me you're subscribed to every Patreon of every content creator you consume the content of. Everyone’s YouTube consumption is different. I’m not the person you directed the comment at but I realistically follow less than a handful of creators on YouTube. Subscribing to all their Patreons (not sure if all of them have it) would be quite doable.
    - barneygale 3y ago
      I don't care whether you believe me or not.
      - dang 3y ago
        Can you please not post like this? It's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        barneygale 3y ago
        Sorry, I'll just flag their comments in future and explain why I'm doing so.
        pvg 3y ago
        explain why I'm doing so. Just flagging is enough. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22don%27t%20respond%22%20flag&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        barneygale 3y ago
        Thanks - I'd previously read the rules but totally misremembered them, I thought you were /supposed/ to reply when flagging!
      - dymk 3y ago
        [flagged]
        dang 3y ago
        Can you please not post like this? It's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        3y ago
    - ndriscoll 3y ago
      If the platform operators want to offer a service that's free for the user, there are more ethical business models they could use. e.g. implement p2p video distribution (conveniently, they also make the most popular browser, and could bake p2p in, e.g. support for IPFS), and let the uploader pay for the platform to act as a seed box (or just let the uploader seed). For users that don't want to run a p2p client (phones, etc.) offer paid gateway services. Provide other creator support services like patreon. Note that the above architecture is modular in a way where other businesses could compete within individual components. E.g. a seed box provider, or a gateway provider, or creator services. Obviously, this is not as good for them (they'd like to force their vertical integration), but better for everyone else. Or they could stop giving their service away for free, but we all know they benefit from network effects and mindshare, so they want to keep everyone there. As long as they provide a free service that's bundled with malware, people will accept the service and just remove the malware. When you do something unethical to start, you can't be surprised that people don't play along as planned. Point is, they chose to corner the market and be a vertically integrated platform with all the costs involved. They didn't have to. They do bad things to maintain that position. No need to shed any tears for their decision.
  - pb7 3y ago
    The likelihood of you paying creators directly is the same as movie pirates paying actors directly. We don’t believe you.
    - barneygale 3y ago
      Please don't accuse people of lying on HN without evidence, it lowers the quality of the discussion. I've flagged your comment for this reason.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  No justification necessary. No creator ever charged me for products or service. They did it for free. They assumed I was gonna look at the ads. Unfortunately for them that assumption just isn't going to hold.
  - dymk 3y ago
    An antisocial mentality, and bad for society. > They assumed I was gonna pay the clerk at the grocery store.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      Huh? The grocery store doesn't give people stuff for free. Everything is clearly labled with a price.
hunter2_ 3y ago
Thought experiment: Suppose a $14 subscription to YouTube Premium is typically split in half, $7 for the platform and $7 for content creators. If someone signs up for YouTube Premium but doesn't watch any videos at all, do creators split that $7 (in a proportion that roughly mirrors the existing amount creators were already getting paid: a bigger share of the $7 for those with a bigger share of views generally) or does the platform keep both halves? I don't know that anyone here can say what does happen with that $7, but what should happen with it? Did creators earn it? If they earned it regardless of no plays from that user, it follows that in another universe where the Premium user only ever watched one single creator, that creator doesn't earn more of that particular $7 than they otherwise would.

by zulban 3y ago

> creators actually get paid Until I see a report of exactly how much my monthly fee directly goes to each of my subscribed channels, I'm never going to believe that.

hombre_fatal 3y ago

How much do they get from you right now with adblock?

dymk 3y ago

[flagged]

barneygale 3y ago
I pay them via Patreon. Google will never see any of my money.
- dymk 3y ago
  I wouldn't believe you if you told me you're subscribed to every Patreon of every content creator you consume the content of. And again: avoiding paying the platform operators no matter the cost.
  - latexr 3y ago
    > I wouldn't believe you if you told me you're subscribed to every Patreon of every content creator you consume the content of. Everyone’s YouTube consumption is different. I’m not the person you directed the comment at but I realistically follow less than a handful of creators on YouTube. Subscribing to all their Patreons (not sure if all of them have it) would be quite doable.
  - barneygale 3y ago
    I don't care whether you believe me or not.
    - dang 3y ago
      Can you please not post like this? It's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
      - barneygale 3y ago
        Sorry, I'll just flag their comments in future and explain why I'm doing so.
        pvg 3y ago
        explain why I'm doing so. Just flagging is enough. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22don%27t%20respond%22%20flag&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        barneygale 3y ago
        Thanks - I'd previously read the rules but totally misremembered them, I thought you were /supposed/ to reply when flagging!
    - dymk 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - dang 3y ago
        Can you please not post like this? It's not what HN is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
        3y ago
  - ndriscoll 3y ago
    If the platform operators want to offer a service that's free for the user, there are more ethical business models they could use. e.g. implement p2p video distribution (conveniently, they also make the most popular browser, and could bake p2p in, e.g. support for IPFS), and let the uploader pay for the platform to act as a seed box (or just let the uploader seed). For users that don't want to run a p2p client (phones, etc.) offer paid gateway services. Provide other creator support services like patreon. Note that the above architecture is modular in a way where other businesses could compete within individual components. E.g. a seed box provider, or a gateway provider, or creator services. Obviously, this is not as good for them (they'd like to force their vertical integration), but better for everyone else. Or they could stop giving their service away for free, but we all know they benefit from network effects and mindshare, so they want to keep everyone there. As long as they provide a free service that's bundled with malware, people will accept the service and just remove the malware. When you do something unethical to start, you can't be surprised that people don't play along as planned. Point is, they chose to corner the market and be a vertically integrated platform with all the costs involved. They didn't have to. They do bad things to maintain that position. No need to shed any tears for their decision.
- pb7 3y ago
  The likelihood of you paying creators directly is the same as movie pirates paying actors directly. We don’t believe you.
  - barneygale 3y ago
    Please don't accuse people of lying on HN without evidence, it lowers the quality of the discussion. I've flagged your comment for this reason.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
No justification necessary. No creator ever charged me for products or service. They did it for free. They assumed I was gonna look at the ads. Unfortunately for them that assumption just isn't going to hold.
- dymk 3y ago
  An antisocial mentality, and bad for society. > They assumed I was gonna pay the clerk at the grocery store.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    Huh? The grocery store doesn't give people stuff for free. Everything is clearly labled with a price.

hunter2_ 3y ago

Thought experiment: Suppose a $14 subscription to YouTube Premium is typically split in half, $7 for the platform and $7 for content creators. If someone signs up for YouTube Premium but doesn't watch any videos at all, do creators split that $7 (in a proportion that roughly mirrors the existing amount creators were already getting paid: a bigger share of the $7 for those with a bigger share of views generally) or does the platform keep both halves? I don't know that anyone here can say what does happen with that $7, but what should happen with it? Did creators earn it? If they earned it regardless of no plays from that user, it follows that in another universe where the Premium user only ever watched one single creator, that creator doesn't earn more of that particular $7 than they otherwise would.