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The problem in my city is that the people at fault are generally: - Idiots on new-age vehicles (especially those one-wheeled things) - Idiots who park on the

The problem in my city is that the people at fault are generally: - Idiots on new-age vehicles (especially those one-wheeled things) - Idiots who park on the stop on the side of the road with emergency blinkers (hi, Amazon delivery drivers) - Idiots who stop in the middle of an intersection All of those cause unsafe driving, as other drivers are forced to maneuver around things the roads and traffic weren't designed for. My goal isn't to assign blame, though. My goal is to make sure as few people die as possible. Personally, I'd also usually rather risk death than a crippling injury. If I die, that sucks. If I'm a quadriplegic for the rest of my life, that sounds a lot worse. I'm not sure why you're okay with cyclists dying. As points of data: - I once crashed a car on a highway. My only accident, in many years of driving. The car was totaled. No one was injured. It was pretty amazing. - I've injured myself seriously on bicycles several times, despite far fewer miles commuted and being much more careful. Only one of those involved a car. One involved a pothole, and the most serious one, a hidden metal plate. Having an engineered metal cage around you does wonders for safety. I stopped seriously commuting on my bicycle when I had a child. The risk wasn't worth it. I'd start again if the city were designed for it, but I'd want dedicated bicycle arteries -- bikeways without cars, pedestrians, or idiots on one-wheels. I'd be okay with ebikes and scooters IF there were some ways to keep idiots off (traffic enforcement, licensing, or whatever). In the city I was born, somehow people seem able to handle ebikes, scooters, and mopeds safely. In the city I live in, they somehow can't.

david-gpu 3y ago
> My city doesn't release similar statistics > The problem in my city is that the people at fault are generally How do you know? My city does publish statistics and theirs do not match your opinion. > My goal isn't to assign blame, though. My goal is to make sure as few people die as possible If you want fewer people killed, finding out who is killing them is an important first step. My city's statistics show that cars are at fault 70% to 80% of the time when they collide with a pedestrian or a cyclist. Not to mention the obvious fact that the car is the one physically doing the killing, as collisions between pedestrians are resolved with a "sorry" rather than a visit to the ER. > I'm not sure why you're okay with cyclists dying And here is where I stop this conversation, as you are obviously not acting in good faith. For the record, I am a cyclist and have not driven a car in my life. Just to underline how assissine your accusation is.
- frognumber 3y ago
  > How do you know? My city does publish statistics and theirs do not match your opinion. How do you know the sun shines during the day? Because I live here. I see what causes unsafe conditions on roads. And yes, although cities are different, by-and-large, the statistics published by your city DO match my opinion. > Not to mention the obvious fact that the car is the one physically doing the killing, as collisions between pedestrians are resolved with a "sorry" rather than a visit to the ER. Not so for bicycles, and even less so for new-age electric devices going 20-30MPH depending on jurisdiction. My city has a 25MPH speed limit for cars (although most cars break it). For new-age electric vehicles, the speed (and injuries) are similar. However, drivers are licensed. Most one-wheels, mopeds, ebikes, and similar are driven by idiots without licenses or clear law enforcement.

david-gpu 3y ago

> My city doesn't release similar statistics > The problem in my city is that the people at fault are generally How do you know? My city does publish statistics and theirs do not match your opinion. > My goal isn't to assign blame, though. My goal is to make sure as few people die as possible If you want fewer people killed, finding out who is killing them is an important first step. My city's statistics show that cars are at fault 70% to 80% of the time when they collide with a pedestrian or a cyclist. Not to mention the obvious fact that the car is the one physically doing the killing, as collisions between pedestrians are resolved with a "sorry" rather than a visit to the ER. > I'm not sure why you're okay with cyclists dying And here is where I stop this conversation, as you are obviously not acting in good faith. For the record, I am a cyclist and have not driven a car in my life. Just to underline how assissine your accusation is.

frognumber 3y ago
> How do you know? My city does publish statistics and theirs do not match your opinion. How do you know the sun shines during the day? Because I live here. I see what causes unsafe conditions on roads. And yes, although cities are different, by-and-large, the statistics published by your city DO match my opinion. > Not to mention the obvious fact that the car is the one physically doing the killing, as collisions between pedestrians are resolved with a "sorry" rather than a visit to the ER. Not so for bicycles, and even less so for new-age electric devices going 20-30MPH depending on jurisdiction. My city has a 25MPH speed limit for cars (although most cars break it). For new-age electric vehicles, the speed (and injuries) are similar. However, drivers are licensed. Most one-wheels, mopeds, ebikes, and similar are driven by idiots without licenses or clear law enforcement.