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on what basis do you 'trust' the guy who tried to do a crypto eyeball identity scam? Genuinely, seriously curious.

gkoberger 3y ago
I genuinely believe Worldcoin/World ID is terrible for optics and is not something Sam should have put his name on. That being said, here's my strongman argument: Sam is scared of the ramifications of AI, especially financially. He's experimenting with a lot of things, such as Basic Income (https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/basic-income https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/basic-income), rethinking capitalism (https://moores.samaltman.com/ https://moores.samaltman.com/) and Worldcoin. He's also likely worried about what happens if you can't tell who is human and who isn't. We will certainly need a system at some point for verifying humanity. Worldcoin doesn't store iris information; it just stores a hash for verification. It's an attempt to make sure everyone gets one, and to keep things fair and more evenly distributed. (Will it work? I don't think so. But to call it an eyeball identity scam and dismiss Sam out of hand is wrong)
- felixgallo 3y ago
  Sam Altman is 'rethinking capitalism' in the same way a jackal rethinks and disrupts sheep flocks. Are we thinking about the same guy? I'm thinking of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhId_WG7RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhId_WG7RA
  - gkoberger 3y ago
    I don't get your point. He's a capitalist, no doubt, but he also knows the rules will change rapidly if we ever achieve AGI.
    - felixgallo 3y ago
      the rules would definitely change. Would you want a popped collar fail-upwards guy who creates a crypto scam to be part of the rule making structure, or would you prefer that not to be the case?
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spaceman_2020 3y ago
A crypto wallet tied to your identity solves one of the biggest problems in the post AI world: human identity At least it will stop those godawful “are you human” proof puzzles.
- felixgallo 3y ago
  it will definitely not do any of that, because (a) a crypto wallet has nothing to do with your identity, (b) nobody except the gullible will put their permanent biometrics information in the hands of a private company on purpose, (c) especially not if that private company is led by someone who repeatedly, demonstrably plays fast and loose with laws and regulations, especially around those having to do with privacy and ownership. It's an even wilder, less justified play than your other average shitcoins, which at least have some kind of memetic value.
  - spaceman_2020 3y ago
    A crypto wallet can be easily tied to a hash of your real world identity which can then be used to sign into a website or sign a transaction verifying your identity. Already being done.
    - cthalupa 3y ago
      How does any of this prevent a computer from using that same wallet/hash to sign in?
      - spaceman_2020 3y ago
        How can a computer acquire a human retina and, say, driver’s license for generating the identity hash?
- zxndaaaaz2 3y ago
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- huytersd 3y ago

I genuinely believe Worldcoin/World ID is terrible for optics and is not something Sam should have put his name on. That being said, here's my strongman argument: Sam is scared of the ramifications of AI, especially financially. He's experimenting with a lot of things, such as Basic Income (https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/basic-income https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/basic-income), rethinking capitalism (https://moores.samaltman.com/ https://moores.samaltman.com/) and Worldcoin. He's also likely worried about what happens if you can't tell who is human and who isn't. We will certainly need a system at some point for verifying humanity. Worldcoin doesn't store iris information; it just stores a hash for verification. It's an attempt to make sure everyone gets one, and to keep things fair and more evenly distributed. (Will it work? I don't think so. But to call it an eyeball identity scam and dismiss Sam out of hand is wrong)

felixgallo 3y ago
Sam Altman is 'rethinking capitalism' in the same way a jackal rethinks and disrupts sheep flocks. Are we thinking about the same guy? I'm thinking of this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhId_WG7RA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhhId_WG7RA
- gkoberger 3y ago
  I don't get your point. He's a capitalist, no doubt, but he also knows the rules will change rapidly if we ever achieve AGI.
  - felixgallo 3y ago
    the rules would definitely change. Would you want a popped collar fail-upwards guy who creates a crypto scam to be part of the rule making structure, or would you prefer that not to be the case?
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spaceman_2020 3y ago

A crypto wallet tied to your identity solves one of the biggest problems in the post AI world: human identity At least it will stop those godawful “are you human” proof puzzles.

felixgallo 3y ago
it will definitely not do any of that, because (a) a crypto wallet has nothing to do with your identity, (b) nobody except the gullible will put their permanent biometrics information in the hands of a private company on purpose, (c) especially not if that private company is led by someone who repeatedly, demonstrably plays fast and loose with laws and regulations, especially around those having to do with privacy and ownership. It's an even wilder, less justified play than your other average shitcoins, which at least have some kind of memetic value.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  A crypto wallet can be easily tied to a hash of your real world identity which can then be used to sign into a website or sign a transaction verifying your identity. Already being done.
  - cthalupa 3y ago
    How does any of this prevent a computer from using that same wallet/hash to sign in?
    - spaceman_2020 3y ago
      How can a computer acquire a human retina and, say, driver’s license for generating the identity hash?
zxndaaaaz2 3y ago
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huytersd 3y ago