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> Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Yes. > Whether you know it or not, since the

> Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Yes. > Whether you know it or not, since the 1930s things have changed, TVs are popular, there is this thing called the internet and websites. So? > Do you also want to ban software developers and song writers from being able to publish their own work on websites? Maybe. It doesn't appear to be a problem yet, but if it is then let's pursue that option.

scarface_74 3y ago
You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? And it matters because the law was there in the thirties when the only way to get movie content out was via the movie theaters. Now anyone can publish content
- bawolff 3y ago
  > You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I mean, honestly, having app stores be separate from the phone maker sounds like a great idea. The monopoly that apple has on the app store is harmful to both producers and consumers of apps. > Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content Isn't this already effectively the case in the phobe market? Not illegal per se, but practically speaking impossible.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    That’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that a content producer should never be allowed to distribute on their own site and that you as a software developer, author, music producer, etc should not be allowed to distribute your own work.
    - bawolff 3y ago
      I don't think anyone is saying that. Just because an extreme version of an idea is way too much, doesn't mean the more moderate versions are without merit.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        What is a non extreme version of not letting content producers distribute thier own content and where do you draw the line?
        bawolff 3y ago
        Line would be drawn at operating a distribution business for profit. That wouldn't prevent you from putting your own stuff on your own website. Other ideas in this vein include things like requiring non-discrimantory licensing agreements (no "netflix" only licenses)
        scarface_74 3y ago
        So now no content producer is ever allowed to sell thier own content on thier own website?
        Eisenstein 3y ago
        That's correct. You have it nailed down. Any regulations that can be conceptualized are exactly what you say they are. We decided to make child labor illegal so now there are no children working on family farms, no children working in their family stores, and everyone under 18 is not allowed to work at all. We mandated safety in workplaces so now every person has to wear a respirator and a hard hat even in office jobs. Your obviously completely honest arguments are completely right and there is no room at all for anything but the most extreme possible position.
        scarface_74 3y ago
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  > You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I have no opinion on this as it is not currently a problem and it is not relevant. > Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? Just like you can create your own movie and show it at your own venue, so can you sell it on your website. However studios cannot own movie theaters and should not own their own distribution platforms. Taking something and mincing it down to the smallest iteration and using that to prove that it is wrong is either obtuse or dishonest. > How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? Should drug companies own pharmacies? What about hospitals? At a certain point it is not good for the consumer to let manufacturers control the distribution of their product.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    So you are saying that producers should not be able to distribute their own content? Are you saying that no one should be able to produce their own video and sell it themselves? So I can distribute my own video on my own website. So what if I get together with a group of college friends and we decide to sell our movies on a website we jointly own, should that be illegal? If I am a news organization and do a show of re-enactments of true crime like CNN Headline News and sell it as a subscription, should that be illegal too? And why just video producers? Should song writers also not be allowed to distribute those own content? Writers? Software developers? Wouldn’t it be considered a violation of free speech if I wasn’t allowed to produce a video and distribute it myself? Are you saying if I create a video on my phone I shouldn’t be allowed to sell it on my own website? I’m a producer and a distributor. And now studios can own movie theaters… https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/studios-can-now-own-movie-theaters-11934927 https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/studios-can-now-own-movi...
    - Eisenstein 3y ago
      Ignoring your irrelevant hypotheticals for which I am not arguing, why is having distribution channels controlled by the content owners beneficial? At this point there is no way for a third party to license content from enough content owners because of cross licensing deals and their ownership of competing platforms. So there can be no place where one can watch a diverse selection like netflix used to be. Is this good for consumers? Do you think the content owners even want it?

scarface_74 3y ago

You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? And it matters because the law was there in the thirties when the only way to get movie content out was via the movie theaters. Now anyone can publish content

bawolff 3y ago
> You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I mean, honestly, having app stores be separate from the phone maker sounds like a great idea. The monopoly that apple has on the app store is harmful to both producers and consumers of apps. > Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content Isn't this already effectively the case in the phobe market? Not illegal per se, but practically speaking impossible.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  That’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that a content producer should never be allowed to distribute on their own site and that you as a software developer, author, music producer, etc should not be allowed to distribute your own work.
  - bawolff 3y ago
    I don't think anyone is saying that. Just because an extreme version of an idea is way too much, doesn't mean the more moderate versions are without merit.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      What is a non extreme version of not letting content producers distribute thier own content and where do you draw the line?
      - bawolff 3y ago
        Line would be drawn at operating a distribution business for profit. That wouldn't prevent you from putting your own stuff on your own website. Other ideas in this vein include things like requiring non-discrimantory licensing agreements (no "netflix" only licenses)
        scarface_74 3y ago
        So now no content producer is ever allowed to sell thier own content on thier own website?
        Eisenstein 3y ago
        That's correct. You have it nailed down. Any regulations that can be conceptualized are exactly what you say they are. We decided to make child labor illegal so now there are no children working on family farms, no children working in their family stores, and everyone under 18 is not allowed to work at all. We mandated safety in workplaces so now every person has to wear a respirator and a hard hat even in office jobs. Your obviously completely honest arguments are completely right and there is no room at all for anything but the most extreme possible position.
        scarface_74 3y ago
Eisenstein 3y ago
> You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I have no opinion on this as it is not currently a problem and it is not relevant. > Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? Just like you can create your own movie and show it at your own venue, so can you sell it on your website. However studios cannot own movie theaters and should not own their own distribution platforms. Taking something and mincing it down to the smallest iteration and using that to prove that it is wrong is either obtuse or dishonest. > How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? Should drug companies own pharmacies? What about hospitals? At a certain point it is not good for the consumer to let manufacturers control the distribution of their product.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  So you are saying that producers should not be able to distribute their own content? Are you saying that no one should be able to produce their own video and sell it themselves? So I can distribute my own video on my own website. So what if I get together with a group of college friends and we decide to sell our movies on a website we jointly own, should that be illegal? If I am a news organization and do a show of re-enactments of true crime like CNN Headline News and sell it as a subscription, should that be illegal too? And why just video producers? Should song writers also not be allowed to distribute those own content? Writers? Software developers? Wouldn’t it be considered a violation of free speech if I wasn’t allowed to produce a video and distribute it myself? Are you saying if I create a video on my phone I shouldn’t be allowed to sell it on my own website? I’m a producer and a distributor. And now studios can own movie theaters… https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/studios-can-now-own-movie-theaters-11934927 https://www.dallasobserver.com/arts/studios-can-now-own-movi...
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    Ignoring your irrelevant hypotheticals for which I am not arguing, why is having distribution channels controlled by the content owners beneficial? At this point there is no way for a third party to license content from enough content owners because of cross licensing deals and their ownership of competing platforms. So there can be no place where one can watch a diverse selection like netflix used to be. Is this good for consumers? Do you think the content owners even want it?