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> whatever will come after transformers I feel like this is a point that is not being talked about enough. Yes, OpenAI gave us GPT and DALL-E. But had sama and

> whatever will come after transformers I feel like this is a point that is not being talked about enough. Yes, OpenAI gave us GPT and DALL-E. But had sama and gdb remained there, would we have gotten anything new that is as groundbreaking as the original GPT and DALL-E, or would we have continued getting GPT-12 and DALL-E-19? Sure, iPhone 15 sells, but some may say Apple has stagnated since iPhone was released.

AussieWog93 3y ago
But now, are we even going to get GPT-4 or GPT-5 with the same level of polish that sama would have put into it? I'd argue right now that we're at the "iPhone 3G" point on the technology curve, with significant improvements to come over the next few years as the tech gets polished.
dlivingston 3y ago
Sorry to nitpick, but -- OpenAI was releasing innovations in the GenAI space at a breakneck pace. Remember, GPT-1 didn't change the world, it was GPT-3.5/4 from earlier this year. OpenAI was at peak innovation when sama and gdb left. And folks used to say Apple was stagnant, but after Apple Silicon completely upended the personal computer world (along with some other things) the dissidents have been mostly silent.
- davidy123 3y ago
  Apple Silicon made x86 silicon look bad, but what has it really upended? Macs are taking over more of the personal computer market, but hard to say what the factor is there. I think it's mostly network effects, partially due to their shameless proprietary approach. PCs, Apple or other, are kinda generally good, no matter what the price or combo, and disappearing at the same time, a lot can be done with just a browser on any foundation. Apple seems to be years behind or nonexistent where things are really changing, AI and cloud.
- bmitc 3y ago
  > Apple Silicon completely upended the personal computer world How did it upend the personal computer world? Apple's chip developments are an amazing technological achievement, but they don't have anything innovative to put them in. Apple slaps them in grossly thermally limited form factors, where the chips can't operate anywhere close to their capability. It's kind of a silly exercise, in my opinion. At the end of the day, Apple has made the same computers, phones, and tablets for the past 10 years. I'm not sure where the innovation is.
  - Angostura 3y ago
    > Apple slaps them in grossly thermally limited form factors, where the chips can't operate anywhere close to their capability. Checks temp of iMac, while encoding video and maxing all cores.... nope.
  - dereg 3y ago
    Saying the chips haven't enabled any sort of innovative products it's like driving down the interstate wearing goggles, err, blinders. Let's check back in four months.
    - bmitc 3y ago
      What are they then? Have I missed something?
      - dereg 3y ago
        You have! The Apple Vision Pro is slated to be released by the March/April 2024. The device has only been made possible by the steady march of Apple Silicon.
        bmitc 3y ago
        Oh, right. VR, that everlasting elixir of promise of hype and transformation. And I guess we're going to ignore that several VR sets already exist.
        3y ago
gdhkgdhkvff 3y ago
From the various sources it appears that they’re being fired because they were trying to push the envelope TOO HARD, not the other way around. And, outside of the Cynicism-Is-Intelligence hackernews crowd, basically everyone has been fawning over the breakneck speed of progress coming out of OpenAI, even at the recent OpenAI devdays.

AussieWog93 3y ago

But now, are we even going to get GPT-4 or GPT-5 with the same level of polish that sama would have put into it? I'd argue right now that we're at the "iPhone 3G" point on the technology curve, with significant improvements to come over the next few years as the tech gets polished.

dlivingston 3y ago

Sorry to nitpick, but -- OpenAI was releasing innovations in the GenAI space at a breakneck pace. Remember, GPT-1 didn't change the world, it was GPT-3.5/4 from earlier this year. OpenAI was at peak innovation when sama and gdb left. And folks used to say Apple was stagnant, but after Apple Silicon completely upended the personal computer world (along with some other things) the dissidents have been mostly silent.

davidy123 3y ago
Apple Silicon made x86 silicon look bad, but what has it really upended? Macs are taking over more of the personal computer market, but hard to say what the factor is there. I think it's mostly network effects, partially due to their shameless proprietary approach. PCs, Apple or other, are kinda generally good, no matter what the price or combo, and disappearing at the same time, a lot can be done with just a browser on any foundation. Apple seems to be years behind or nonexistent where things are really changing, AI and cloud.
bmitc 3y ago
> Apple Silicon completely upended the personal computer world How did it upend the personal computer world? Apple's chip developments are an amazing technological achievement, but they don't have anything innovative to put them in. Apple slaps them in grossly thermally limited form factors, where the chips can't operate anywhere close to their capability. It's kind of a silly exercise, in my opinion. At the end of the day, Apple has made the same computers, phones, and tablets for the past 10 years. I'm not sure where the innovation is.
- Angostura 3y ago
  > Apple slaps them in grossly thermally limited form factors, where the chips can't operate anywhere close to their capability. Checks temp of iMac, while encoding video and maxing all cores.... nope.
- dereg 3y ago
  Saying the chips haven't enabled any sort of innovative products it's like driving down the interstate wearing goggles, err, blinders. Let's check back in four months.
  - bmitc 3y ago
    What are they then? Have I missed something?
    - dereg 3y ago
      You have! The Apple Vision Pro is slated to be released by the March/April 2024. The device has only been made possible by the steady march of Apple Silicon.
      - bmitc 3y ago
        Oh, right. VR, that everlasting elixir of promise of hype and transformation. And I guess we're going to ignore that several VR sets already exist.
      - 3y ago

gdhkgdhkvff 3y ago

From the various sources it appears that they’re being fired because they were trying to push the envelope TOO HARD, not the other way around. And, outside of the Cynicism-Is-Intelligence hackernews crowd, basically everyone has been fawning over the breakneck speed of progress coming out of OpenAI, even at the recent OpenAI devdays.