I guess it depends on what things you want to do, and how you define success, doesn't it? If we're stuck with the definitions of success and excellence that ar

I guess it depends on what things you want to do, and how you define success, doesn't it? If we're stuck with the definitions of success and excellence that are dominant right now, then, sure, someone like a Jobs or a Zuck or whatever, I see why people would be enamored with them. But as an engineer I know I have different motivations than these people. And I think that's what people who make these kinds of arguments are drawing on. There is a class of person whose success comes from finding creative and smart people and finding ways to exploit and direct them for their own ends. There's a genius in that, for sure. I am just not sure I want to celebrate it. I just want to make things and help other people who make these things. To put it another way, I'd take, say, Smalltalk over MacOS, if I have to make the choice.