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This is where I've ended up as well for now. I'm as distant from it all as anyone else, but I can easily believe the narrative that Ilya (et al.) didn't sign u
by jddj 3y ago
This is where I've ended up as well for now.
I'm as distant from it all as anyone else, but I can easily believe the narrative that Ilya (et al.) didn't sign up there just to run through a tired page from the tech playbook where they make a better Amazon Alexa with an app store and gift cards and probably Black Friday sales.
- gardenhedge 3y agoAnd that is fine.. but why the immediate firing, why the controversy?
- justaj 3y agoMy guess is that if Sam would have found this out before being fired, he would have done his best not to be fired. As such, it would have been much more of a challenge to shift OpenAI's supposed over-focus on commerce towards a supposed non-profit focus.
- eganist 3y agoThe immediate firing is from our perspective. Who's to say everything else wasn't already tried in private?
- jacquesm 3y agoThat may be so but then they should have done it well before Altman's last week at OpenAI where they allowed him to become that much more tied to their brand as the 'face' of the operation.
- eganist 3y agoFor all we know, the dev day announcements were the final straw and trigger for the decision that was probably months in the making. He was already the brand, and there likely wouldn't have been a convenient time to remove him from their perspective.
- jacquesm 3y agoThat may well be true. But that would prove that the board was out of touch with what the company was doing. If the board sees anything new on 'dev day' that means they haven't been doing their job in the first place.
- cthalupa 3y agoUnless seeing something new on dev day is exactly what they meant by Altman not being consistently candid.
- jacquesm 3y agoIf Altman was doing something that ran directly against the mission of OpenAI in a way that all of the other stuff that OpenAI has been doing so far did not then I haven't seen it. OpenAI has been off-script for a long time now (compared to what they originally said) and outwardly it seemed the board was A-Ok with that. Now we either see a belated - and somewhat erratic - response to all that went before or there is some smoking gun. If there isn't they have just done themselves an immense disservice. Maybe they think they can live without donations now that the commercial ball is rolling downhill fast enough but that only works if you don't damage your brand.
- eganist 3y ago> then I haven't seen it Unless I'm missing something, this stands to reason if you don't work there. Kinda like how none of us are privy to anything else going on inside the company. We're all speculating in the end, and it's healthy to have an open mind about what's going on without preconceived notions.
- jacquesm 3y agoHave a look at the latest developments and tell me that again...
- tim333 3y agoAltman, Brockman and Nadella all say they didn't know in advance.
- eganist 3y agoNot sure why Satya would be privy to this disagreement let alone admit it if he is, and I'd assume Altman and Brockman would be incentivized to provide their own perspective (just as Ilya would) to represent events in the best possible light for themselves. At this level of execution, words are another tool in their toolbox.