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> The fragmentation is both a flaw and a feature It’d be purely a feature if we banned shared ownership of distribution and production, like we did with movie

> The fragmentation is both a flaw and a feature It’d be purely a feature if we banned shared ownership of distribution and production, like we did with movie studios and movie theaters for decades.

scarface_74 3y ago
This is monumentally a bad idea. Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Whether you know it or not, since the 1930s things have changed, TVs are popular, there is this thing called the internet and websites. Do you also want to ban software developers and song writers from being able to publish their own work on websites?
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  > Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Yes. > Whether you know it or not, since the 1930s things have changed, TVs are popular, there is this thing called the internet and websites. So? > Do you also want to ban software developers and song writers from being able to publish their own work on websites? Maybe. It doesn't appear to be a problem yet, but if it is then let's pursue that option.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? And it matters because the law was there in the thirties when the only way to get movie content out was via the movie theaters. Now anyone can publish content
    - bawolff 3y ago
      > You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I mean, honestly, having app stores be separate from the phone maker sounds like a great idea. The monopoly that apple has on the app store is harmful to both producers and consumers of apps. > Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content Isn't this already effectively the case in the phobe market? Not illegal per se, but practically speaking impossible.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        That’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that a content producer should never be allowed to distribute on their own site and that you as a software developer, author, music producer, etc should not be allowed to distribute your own work.
        bawolff 3y ago
        I don't think anyone is saying that. Just because an extreme version of an idea is way too much, doesn't mean the more moderate versions are without merit.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        What is a non extreme version of not letting content producers distribute thier own content and where do you draw the line?
        bawolff 3y ago
        Line would be drawn at operating a distribution business for profit. That wouldn't prevent you from putting your own stuff on your own website. Other ideas in this vein include things like requiring non-discrimantory licensing agreements (no "netflix" only licenses)
- hotnfresh 3y ago
  It would be better for consumers if productions were available through more outlets rather than fewer, so yes.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    You didn’t answer the question , are you really saying that it should be illegal for any content producer to distribute their own content on their own website? I’m assuming you would apply those same standards to software developers, writers, song writers and any video content?
    - hotnfresh 3y ago
      Why would you assume any of that? So it’s easier to dismiss the notion?
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        So which content producers are you going to tell it’s illegal to distribute their own content on their own website?
        hotnfresh 3y ago
        Film and tv studios. Selling is fine, but no rental or subscription streaming. Basically the same as the no-owning-movie-theaters rule. Idea’s to force streaming services to compete on service quality, not content exclusivity.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        So what qualifies as a studio is any content producer a studio? And now you’re going to make a law that says content creators can’t sell subscriptions to their content? Does this also count for OnlyFans? Why is video special? Why only say video producers can’t have subscriptions to their own content but writers can? And the law that you are referring to is no longer a thing
Mindwipe 3y ago
No it wouldn't. The distribution businesses would still want to buy things exclusively from the production businesses. It would literally make no difference whatsoever.

scarface_74 3y ago

This is monumentally a bad idea. Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Whether you know it or not, since the 1930s things have changed, TVs are popular, there is this thing called the internet and websites. Do you also want to ban software developers and song writers from being able to publish their own work on websites?

Eisenstein 3y ago
> Do you really want to ban all producers from being able to distribute their own goods and depend on middlemen? Yes. > Whether you know it or not, since the 1930s things have changed, TVs are popular, there is this thing called the internet and websites. So? > Do you also want to ban software developers and song writers from being able to publish their own work on websites? Maybe. It doesn't appear to be a problem yet, but if it is then let's pursue that option.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? Does that also mean if that I wanted to create my own Indy movie I couldn’t sell it on my own website? How does it help the consumer for all content to have to go through a middle man where they get a cut? And it matters because the law was there in the thirties when the only way to get movie content out was via the movie theaters. Now anyone can publish content
  - bawolff 3y ago
    > You agree with the fact that iOS developers must go through the App Store? Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content you produce and for you to have to go through a middle man? I mean, honestly, having app stores be separate from the phone maker sounds like a great idea. The monopoly that apple has on the app store is harmful to both producers and consumers of apps. > Would you want it to be illegal for you to distribute any content Isn't this already effectively the case in the phobe market? Not illegal per se, but practically speaking impossible.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      That’s not what you’re saying. You’re saying that a content producer should never be allowed to distribute on their own site and that you as a software developer, author, music producer, etc should not be allowed to distribute your own work.
      - bawolff 3y ago
        I don't think anyone is saying that. Just because an extreme version of an idea is way too much, doesn't mean the more moderate versions are without merit.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        What is a non extreme version of not letting content producers distribute thier own content and where do you draw the line?
        bawolff 3y ago
        Line would be drawn at operating a distribution business for profit. That wouldn't prevent you from putting your own stuff on your own website. Other ideas in this vein include things like requiring non-discrimantory licensing agreements (no "netflix" only licenses)
hotnfresh 3y ago
It would be better for consumers if productions were available through more outlets rather than fewer, so yes.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  You didn’t answer the question , are you really saying that it should be illegal for any content producer to distribute their own content on their own website? I’m assuming you would apply those same standards to software developers, writers, song writers and any video content?
  - hotnfresh 3y ago
    Why would you assume any of that? So it’s easier to dismiss the notion?
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      So which content producers are you going to tell it’s illegal to distribute their own content on their own website?
      - hotnfresh 3y ago
        Film and tv studios. Selling is fine, but no rental or subscription streaming. Basically the same as the no-owning-movie-theaters rule. Idea’s to force streaming services to compete on service quality, not content exclusivity.
        scarface_74 3y ago
        So what qualifies as a studio is any content producer a studio? And now you’re going to make a law that says content creators can’t sell subscriptions to their content? Does this also count for OnlyFans? Why is video special? Why only say video producers can’t have subscriptions to their own content but writers can? And the law that you are referring to is no longer a thing

Mindwipe 3y ago

No it wouldn't. The distribution businesses would still want to buy things exclusively from the production businesses. It would literally make no difference whatsoever.