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Jeremy Howard (of fast.ai): https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 He is not exactly an

Jeremy Howard (of fast.ai): https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 https://x.com/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally.

gmt2027 3y ago
https://nitter.net/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 https://nitter.net/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899
rafaelero 3y ago
Such a bad take. Developers (me included) loved Dev Day.
- whoknowsidont 3y ago
  What did you love about it?
  - rafaelero 3y ago
    Cheaper, faster and longer context window would be enough of an advancement for me. But then we also had the Assistant API that makes our lives as AI devs much easier.
    - victor9000 3y ago
      Seriously, the longer context window is absolutely amazing for opening up new use-cases. If anything, this shows how disconnected the board is from its user base.
- marcinzm 3y ago
  He didn’t say developers, he said researchers.
  - rafaelero 3y ago
    He said in his opinion Dev Day was an "absolute embarrassment".
    - marcinzm 3y ago
      And his second tweet explained what he meant by that.
- campbel 3y ago
  Pretty insightful I thought. The people who joined to create AGI are going to be underwhelmed by the products made available on dev day.
  - LightMachine 3y ago
    I was underwhelmed, but I got -20 upvotes on Reddit for pointing it out. Yes products are cool, but I'm not following OpenAI for another App Store, I'm following it for AGI. They should be directing all resources to that. As Sam said himself: once it is there, it will pay for itself. Settling to products around GPT-4 just passes the message that the curve has stagnated and we aren't getting more impressive capabilities. Which is saddening.
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  Yeah - I think this is the schism. Sam is clearly a product person, these are AI people. Dev day didn’t meaningfully move the needle on AI, but for people building products it sure did.
  - belugacat 3y ago
    Thinking you can develop AGI - if such a thing actually can exist - in an academic vacuum, and not by having your AI rubber meet the road through a plethora of real world business use cases strikes me as extreme hubris. … I guess that makes me a product person?
    - threeseed 3y ago
      Or the obvious point that if you're not interested in business use cases then where are you going to get the money for the increasingly exorbitant training costs.
      - DebtDeflation 3y ago
        Exactly this. Where do these guys think the money to pay their salaries let alone fund the vast GPU farm they have access to comes from?
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  - rafaelero 3y ago
    The fact that this is a schism is already weird. Why do they care how the company transforms the technology coming from the lab into products? It's what pay their salaries in the end of the day and, as long as they can keep doing their research work, it doesn't affect them. Being resented about a thing like this to the point of calling it a "absolute embarrassment" when it clearly wasn't is childish to say the least.
    - sseagull 3y ago
- chancancode 3y ago
  I think you are missing the point, this is offered for perspective, not as a “take”. I find this tweet insightful because it offered a perspective that I (and it seems like you also) don’t have which is helpful in comprehending the situation. As a developer, I am not particularly invested nor excited by the announcements but I thought they were fine. I think things may be a bit overhyped but I also enjoyed their products for what they are as a consumer and subscriber. With that said, to me, from the outside, things seemed to be going fine, maybe even great, over there. So while I understand the words in the reporting (“it’s a disagreement in direction”), I think I lack the perspective to actually understand what that entails, and I thought this was an insightful viewpoint to fill in the perspectives that I didn’t have. The way this was handled still felt iffy to me but with the perspective I can at least imagine what may have drove people to want to take such drastic actions in the first place.
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tucnak 3y ago
> He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally. Great analysis, thank you.

gmt2027 3y ago

https://nitter.net/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899 https://nitter.net/jeremyphoward/status/1725712220955586899

rafaelero 3y ago

Such a bad take. Developers (me included) loved Dev Day.

whoknowsidont 3y ago
What did you love about it?
- rafaelero 3y ago
  Cheaper, faster and longer context window would be enough of an advancement for me. But then we also had the Assistant API that makes our lives as AI devs much easier.
  - victor9000 3y ago
    Seriously, the longer context window is absolutely amazing for opening up new use-cases. If anything, this shows how disconnected the board is from its user base.
marcinzm 3y ago
He didn’t say developers, he said researchers.
- rafaelero 3y ago
  He said in his opinion Dev Day was an "absolute embarrassment".
  - marcinzm 3y ago
    And his second tweet explained what he meant by that.
campbel 3y ago
Pretty insightful I thought. The people who joined to create AGI are going to be underwhelmed by the products made available on dev day.
- LightMachine 3y ago
  I was underwhelmed, but I got -20 upvotes on Reddit for pointing it out. Yes products are cool, but I'm not following OpenAI for another App Store, I'm following it for AGI. They should be directing all resources to that. As Sam said himself: once it is there, it will pay for itself. Settling to products around GPT-4 just passes the message that the curve has stagnated and we aren't getting more impressive capabilities. Which is saddening.
eightysixfour 3y ago
Yeah - I think this is the schism. Sam is clearly a product person, these are AI people. Dev day didn’t meaningfully move the needle on AI, but for people building products it sure did.
- belugacat 3y ago
  Thinking you can develop AGI - if such a thing actually can exist - in an academic vacuum, and not by having your AI rubber meet the road through a plethora of real world business use cases strikes me as extreme hubris. … I guess that makes me a product person?
  - threeseed 3y ago
    Or the obvious point that if you're not interested in business use cases then where are you going to get the money for the increasingly exorbitant training costs.
    - DebtDeflation 3y ago
      Exactly this. Where do these guys think the money to pay their salaries let alone fund the vast GPU farm they have access to comes from?
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- rafaelero 3y ago
  The fact that this is a schism is already weird. Why do they care how the company transforms the technology coming from the lab into products? It's what pay their salaries in the end of the day and, as long as they can keep doing their research work, it doesn't affect them. Being resented about a thing like this to the point of calling it a "absolute embarrassment" when it clearly wasn't is childish to say the least.
  - sseagull 3y ago
chancancode 3y ago
I think you are missing the point, this is offered for perspective, not as a “take”. I find this tweet insightful because it offered a perspective that I (and it seems like you also) don’t have which is helpful in comprehending the situation. As a developer, I am not particularly invested nor excited by the announcements but I thought they were fine. I think things may be a bit overhyped but I also enjoyed their products for what they are as a consumer and subscriber. With that said, to me, from the outside, things seemed to be going fine, maybe even great, over there. So while I understand the words in the reporting (“it’s a disagreement in direction”), I think I lack the perspective to actually understand what that entails, and I thought this was an insightful viewpoint to fill in the perspectives that I didn’t have. The way this was handled still felt iffy to me but with the perspective I can at least imagine what may have drove people to want to take such drastic actions in the first place.

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tucnak 3y ago

> He is not exactly an insider, but seems broadly aligned/sympathetic/well-connected with the Ilya/researchers faction, his tweet/perspective was a useful proxy into what that split may have felt like internally. Great analysis, thank you.