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Do you mean this was a launch failure or a test failure? It was obviously a launch failure, but even the most optimistic wouldn't have expected anything else. A

by lutorm 3y ago

Do you mean this was a launch failure or a test failure? It was obviously a launch failure, but even the most optimistic wouldn't have expected anything else. As for whether the test was a failure: since it successfully did a bunch of things that didn't work the last time, why would you say it's a failure? A failure would have been scattering the pad all over again, and not getting to stage sep. Or worse.

x86x87 3y ago
You have to define upfront what you want to get from a test. After that you go back and see if what you got is what you expected. Optimistic/Pessimistic does not really matter. By this criteria, I would say failure/partial failure or partial sucess. There is no way this was a success. Also, everyone can call this what they want. The thing that grinds my gears is not respecting that other people do have a different opinion.
- hparadiz 3y ago
  Your opinion is wrong though. I'm sorry you can't see that. Not all opinions are right.
- hilux 3y ago
  They did define what they wanted; several incremental goals, not just one. You can watch the pre-launch video to hear it for yourself. Years before Covid, my neighbor had an "opinion" that vaccines were unnecessary/dangerous, so she wouldn't get vaccinated. Just like you, she said "you have your opinion, and I have mine." In today's woke culture, that makes me the bad guy for not respecting her opinion, mansplaining, etc. But opinions don't trump facts. At least, they shouldn't
  - x86x87 3y ago
    i don't see what vaccines have to to with any of this. also, as cool as "facts" are it really bothers me when people take their opinion and present it as fact or as truth. you see: the truth is something abstract and usually, not always, but usually there is a matter of interpretation and a gradient of the truth. I'm not speaking of well researched things that have mountains of evidence behind them. I'm speaking about people having really strong opinions without understanding the evidence behind it and without understanding the nuances of what applies when. It's really fashionable to shit all over other people when they don't agree to a T with what you are saying but IMHO it's the wrong thing to do - being curious and actually unpacking what they are trying to say if they can have a civilized discussion and logic actually works with them is the way to go.
- dotnet00 3y ago
  Before the launch, on the stream, SpaceX were saying that getting through staging was their primary goal this time. Everything else was bonus. So clearly it was a success on the primary mission. Pretty similar to how a lot of NASA's missions have requirements like lasting 90 days on Mars. If that is reached, the mission was a success, even though they obviously don't just stop having objectives after that.
- wheelerof4te 3y ago
  "By this criteria, I would say failure/partial failure or partial sucess. There is no way this was a success." Not only it is not success, it is a massive failure when compared to the magic technology from the 60's. Space industry is the only industry that is moving backwards, it seems.

by lutorm 3y ago

x86x87 3y ago

You have to define upfront what you want to get from a test. After that you go back and see if what you got is what you expected. Optimistic/Pessimistic does not really matter. By this criteria, I would say failure/partial failure or partial sucess. There is no way this was a success. Also, everyone can call this what they want. The thing that grinds my gears is not respecting that other people do have a different opinion.

hparadiz 3y ago
Your opinion is wrong though. I'm sorry you can't see that. Not all opinions are right.
hilux 3y ago
They did define what they wanted; several incremental goals, not just one. You can watch the pre-launch video to hear it for yourself. Years before Covid, my neighbor had an "opinion" that vaccines were unnecessary/dangerous, so she wouldn't get vaccinated. Just like you, she said "you have your opinion, and I have mine." In today's woke culture, that makes me the bad guy for not respecting her opinion, mansplaining, etc. But opinions don't trump facts. At least, they shouldn't
- x86x87 3y ago
  i don't see what vaccines have to to with any of this. also, as cool as "facts" are it really bothers me when people take their opinion and present it as fact or as truth. you see: the truth is something abstract and usually, not always, but usually there is a matter of interpretation and a gradient of the truth. I'm not speaking of well researched things that have mountains of evidence behind them. I'm speaking about people having really strong opinions without understanding the evidence behind it and without understanding the nuances of what applies when. It's really fashionable to shit all over other people when they don't agree to a T with what you are saying but IMHO it's the wrong thing to do - being curious and actually unpacking what they are trying to say if they can have a civilized discussion and logic actually works with them is the way to go.
dotnet00 3y ago
Before the launch, on the stream, SpaceX were saying that getting through staging was their primary goal this time. Everything else was bonus. So clearly it was a success on the primary mission. Pretty similar to how a lot of NASA's missions have requirements like lasting 90 days on Mars. If that is reached, the mission was a success, even though they obviously don't just stop having objectives after that.
wheelerof4te 3y ago
"By this criteria, I would say failure/partial failure or partial sucess. There is no way this was a success." Not only it is not success, it is a massive failure when compared to the magic technology from the 60's. Space industry is the only industry that is moving backwards, it seems.