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> SpaceX Loses Starship Spaceraft During Test Flight It's really a glass half empty headline, isn't it? It's like if someone got bronze at the Olympics and the

> SpaceX Loses Starship Spaceraft During Test Flight It's really a glass half empty headline, isn't it? It's like if someone got bronze at the Olympics and the headline were, "Athlete loses to multiple opponents, fails to get gold or silver medal."

allenrb 3y ago
I was thinking “glass 1/5th empty” but yeah. Imho this sort of reporting and belief among the general populace is a big part of why rocket-builders have been afraid of the iterative approach since what, the mid-1960s?
dylan604 3y ago
I mean, second place is the first loser after all. The only thing left after bronze is participation trophies for all the athletes, because they all did try really hard.
- grecy 3y ago
  You make it sound like you'd be disappointed to compete in the Olympics and not get a medal, rather than being immensely proud of your achievement at being in the ~top 10 in the entire world!
  - dylan604 3y ago
    quite the opposite. i'm tired of the concept "there are no losers" and everyone deserves a reward. life is harsh, and teaching that at younger ages is better than soft selling the concept of losing so that it's a harsh slap in the face later in life.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      Then SpaceX already won and just needs to stick with the Falcon9/Heavy putting the rest of the space industry out of business. If you teach people life is harsh, then typically they won't try new things. If you tell people life is easy and risk free, they may do something that gets them killed... If you balance out both you get people that try new things with appropriate safety and risk tolerance.
    - nilamo 3y ago
      Right but the comment you replied to is just pointing out that there can be multiple winners. Coke and Pepsi both are winning, though your comments sound like you think one is a loser for not being top sales in beverage.
      - dylan604 3y ago
        If you ask the reps from Coke/Pepsi if they are losing to the other that has top sales, they will tell you "yes". If you ask someone dealing broadcast TV ratings if they are losing because they are the 2nd rated show, they'd also say yes. I'm not really sure your point. Just because the 2nd placed entity is earning lots of cash means that they are winning? They may be successfully operating their business, but if someone is earning more then they are not winning. I'm really not sure of your definition of winning. Maybe you're using the Charlie Sheen version of winning?
        nilamo 3y ago
        No, you're using winning in a much more tedious way than most people. If winning and losing were a spectrum, all those things you listed are very clearly much closer to winning than they are to losing.
ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
SpaceX has made launches so routine only the explosions get headlines.

allenrb 3y ago

I was thinking “glass 1/5th empty” but yeah. Imho this sort of reporting and belief among the general populace is a big part of why rocket-builders have been afraid of the iterative approach since what, the mid-1960s?

dylan604 3y ago

I mean, second place is the first loser after all. The only thing left after bronze is participation trophies for all the athletes, because they all did try really hard.

grecy 3y ago
You make it sound like you'd be disappointed to compete in the Olympics and not get a medal, rather than being immensely proud of your achievement at being in the ~top 10 in the entire world!
- dylan604 3y ago
  quite the opposite. i'm tired of the concept "there are no losers" and everyone deserves a reward. life is harsh, and teaching that at younger ages is better than soft selling the concept of losing so that it's a harsh slap in the face later in life.
  - pixl97 3y ago
    Then SpaceX already won and just needs to stick with the Falcon9/Heavy putting the rest of the space industry out of business. If you teach people life is harsh, then typically they won't try new things. If you tell people life is easy and risk free, they may do something that gets them killed... If you balance out both you get people that try new things with appropriate safety and risk tolerance.
  - nilamo 3y ago
    Right but the comment you replied to is just pointing out that there can be multiple winners. Coke and Pepsi both are winning, though your comments sound like you think one is a loser for not being top sales in beverage.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      If you ask the reps from Coke/Pepsi if they are losing to the other that has top sales, they will tell you "yes". If you ask someone dealing broadcast TV ratings if they are losing because they are the 2nd rated show, they'd also say yes. I'm not really sure your point. Just because the 2nd placed entity is earning lots of cash means that they are winning? They may be successfully operating their business, but if someone is earning more then they are not winning. I'm really not sure of your definition of winning. Maybe you're using the Charlie Sheen version of winning?
      - nilamo 3y ago
        No, you're using winning in a much more tedious way than most people. If winning and losing were a spectrum, all those things you listed are very clearly much closer to winning than they are to losing.

ThrowawayTestr 3y ago

SpaceX has made launches so routine only the explosions get headlines.