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Everyone downvoting is hopefully aware that Tesla is doing this exact thing with their autopilot. "10 active lawsuits going to court next year" [0]. But let's a

Everyone downvoting is hopefully aware that Tesla is doing this exact thing with their autopilot. "10 active lawsuits going to court next year" [0]. But let's all trust Elon to do a better job when roadtrips become spacetrips. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/tesla-autopilot-crash-analysis/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/interactive/2023/t...

ceejayoz 3y ago
My biggest objection to autopilot (beyond the misleading branding) is that other drivers and pedestrians haven’t consented to the beta testing that might kill them. I think this is a serious ethical and regulatory failing. Someone hopping in a rocket presumably knows what they’re signing up for, and I have a lot more confidence in the FAA; they seem to be a lot stricter on safety.
- fallingknife 3y ago
  Pedestrians didn't consent to human drivers either. The general public also didn't consent to any other human activity that could kill them in general. So that's a line that gets trotted out for self driving, but not one that is really used for anything else.
  - ceejayoz 3y ago
    Human drivers aren't "in beta". I know there are human drivers when I'm crossing the crosswalk. I don't know which ones have delegated to a beta self-driving app.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      Do you know when they're using an app on their phone while driving though? Because safety is the crux of the issue, and human drivers are notoriously terrible at driving. Having lost a friend on the first of the year to a driver who didn't stop, human drivers are drunk, distracted, and falling asleep at the wheel. They're not in "beta" only because they're not computer programs. That doesn't mean they're not absolute menaces though.
      - x86x87 3y ago
        Sorry but it's just not the same thing. If you, as a human, do stupid things behind the wheel you are personally liable for the outcome. Human drivers are orders of magnitude more capable AND liable than this autopilot joke. If a machine advertised as SELF DRIVING does stupid things behind the wheel who do you hold accountable? Should this even be allowed when we know that the machine cannot handle all situations?
        fragmede 3y ago
        as a pedestrian, I don't care who's liable, I'm still broken from being run over.
    - fallingknife 3y ago
      You don't know which ones are tired drivers, which ones have bald tires or worn break pads, or a million other possible dangers. And you don't know which ones are 16 (or "in beta" as you described it).

ceejayoz 3y ago

My biggest objection to autopilot (beyond the misleading branding) is that other drivers and pedestrians haven’t consented to the beta testing that might kill them. I think this is a serious ethical and regulatory failing. Someone hopping in a rocket presumably knows what they’re signing up for, and I have a lot more confidence in the FAA; they seem to be a lot stricter on safety.

fallingknife 3y ago
Pedestrians didn't consent to human drivers either. The general public also didn't consent to any other human activity that could kill them in general. So that's a line that gets trotted out for self driving, but not one that is really used for anything else.
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  Human drivers aren't "in beta". I know there are human drivers when I'm crossing the crosswalk. I don't know which ones have delegated to a beta self-driving app.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    Do you know when they're using an app on their phone while driving though? Because safety is the crux of the issue, and human drivers are notoriously terrible at driving. Having lost a friend on the first of the year to a driver who didn't stop, human drivers are drunk, distracted, and falling asleep at the wheel. They're not in "beta" only because they're not computer programs. That doesn't mean they're not absolute menaces though.
    - x86x87 3y ago
      Sorry but it's just not the same thing. If you, as a human, do stupid things behind the wheel you are personally liable for the outcome. Human drivers are orders of magnitude more capable AND liable than this autopilot joke. If a machine advertised as SELF DRIVING does stupid things behind the wheel who do you hold accountable? Should this even be allowed when we know that the machine cannot handle all situations?
      - fragmede 3y ago
        as a pedestrian, I don't care who's liable, I'm still broken from being run over.
  - fallingknife 3y ago
    You don't know which ones are tired drivers, which ones have bald tires or worn break pads, or a million other possible dangers. And you don't know which ones are 16 (or "in beta" as you described it).