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If MS gets their hands on an AGI help us god, but no "organizational safeguards" will matter. Not that I think AGI is possible or desirable in the first place,

If MS gets their hands on an AGI help us god, but no "organizational safeguards" will matter. Not that I think AGI is possible or desirable in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

concordDance 3y ago
Impossible with LLMs, with currently known techniques or impossible full stop?
- wil421 3y ago
  Impossible with computers full stop. IMHO, we may be able to slice together DNA or modify it to create a new or smarter organism than AGI in a computer. They already shifted goal posts and they’ll do it again. AI used to mean AGI but marketing got a hold of it. Once something resembling AGI comes out they’ll say well it’s not Level 5 AGI or something similar.
  - concordDance 3y ago
    > Impossible with computers full stop. This combined with it being possible with DNA is a very rare view. How did you come by it?
    - zzzeek 3y ago
      I would assume Blade Runner
  - augustulus 3y ago
    if you think it’s impossible with computers then surely you must have a reason why computers are operationally incapable of doing the same as flesh and blood
  - wavewrangler 3y ago
    “…Alright, so it can DREAM!!! BUT CAN IT suffer?!?!”
  - pixl97 3y ago
    >AI used to mean AGI but marketing got a hold of it It does not and never has. What happens with the term AI as time has progressed is more to do with the word Intelligence itself. When we went about trying to prescribe intelligence to systems we started to realize we were really bad a doing the same with animal humans systems. We were also terrible at separating what is component level and systems level intelligence. For example, you seem to think that intelligence requires meat, but you don't give any reasoning for that conclusion. These lists of problems with what intelligence is will get worse over time as we build more capable systems and learn about new forms of intelligence we didn't expect possible.
zzzeek 3y ago
All hail Big Clippy

If MS gets their hands on an AGI help us god, but no "organizational safeguards" will matter. Not that I think AGI is possible or desirable in the first place, but that's a different discussion.

concordDance 3y ago

Impossible with LLMs, with currently known techniques or impossible full stop?

wil421 3y ago
Impossible with computers full stop. IMHO, we may be able to slice together DNA or modify it to create a new or smarter organism than AGI in a computer. They already shifted goal posts and they’ll do it again. AI used to mean AGI but marketing got a hold of it. Once something resembling AGI comes out they’ll say well it’s not Level 5 AGI or something similar.
- concordDance 3y ago
  > Impossible with computers full stop. This combined with it being possible with DNA is a very rare view. How did you come by it?
  - zzzeek 3y ago
    I would assume Blade Runner
- augustulus 3y ago
  if you think it’s impossible with computers then surely you must have a reason why computers are operationally incapable of doing the same as flesh and blood
- wavewrangler 3y ago
  “…Alright, so it can DREAM!!! BUT CAN IT suffer?!?!”
- pixl97 3y ago
  >AI used to mean AGI but marketing got a hold of it It does not and never has. What happens with the term AI as time has progressed is more to do with the word Intelligence itself. When we went about trying to prescribe intelligence to systems we started to realize we were really bad a doing the same with animal humans systems. We were also terrible at separating what is component level and systems level intelligence. For example, you seem to think that intelligence requires meat, but you don't give any reasoning for that conclusion. These lists of problems with what intelligence is will get worse over time as we build more capable systems and learn about new forms of intelligence we didn't expect possible.

zzzeek 3y ago

All hail Big Clippy