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You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.

by Tohhou 3y ago

lazystar 3y ago
AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.
- Tohhou 3y ago
  You're one of the ones who used to call bitcoin "buttcoin" didn't you? Very sure of yourself, very wrong.
  - carstenhag 3y ago
    Seeing btc is still quite useless apart from a few legitimate reasons, otherwise mostly being used for illegal purposes: yes, btc is a failure.
  - lazystar 3y ago
    after i lost everything in the mtgox scandal, i used my last bitcoin to buy a lenovo thinkpad, which i used to learn computer programming and network engineering.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    Oh, you mean because Bitcoin didn’t turn out as a stupidly-high risk speculation object without any value rooted in reality, wasting a sizeable portion of the power production of a world threatened by the climate crisis, swinging between orders of magnitude in valuation on Elon‘s whims? The Bitcoin that is irrelevant everywhere else but the crypto bubble itself?
  - smcl 3y ago
    Come on man, we're all on the AI hype train now. Get with the program, you're one bubble behind!
- eurekin 3y ago
  The interesting to boring scale depends on novelty. Given the ai oversaturation it works exactly as expected. AI Art is currently in very early stage. In the real art space (3d modeling, sculpting, animation, vfx, animation, rigging, retargeting), it could make huge breakthroughs and multiply true artists' productivity in significant ways
  - nottorp 3y ago
    I've noticed that those who worship productivity tend to appreciate "content creators" not artists :)
    - eurekin 3y ago
      During my brief venture into 3d graphics I often found that 1 hour of truly creating is spaced between ten hours of fixing up UV's, redoing topology, finding cause for the seam, trying to make a watertight mesh for photon tracing, fighting the subdivision algorithm to retain details, diverting a edge loop, where it causes the less distress. I call the first hour true productivity. The last part is, from the perspective of the end product, simply a wasted time. That's very similar to the boilerplate code everybody agrees is a necessary evil in the programming. If AI allows to reduce the #2 it truly will have positive impact
      - nottorp 3y ago
        It's interesting how some terms we use reveal our world view. What does referring to art as "product" imply?
- CamperBob2 3y ago
  "This radio thing is a dead end. I usually just get a bunch of static when I turn it on, or maybe an electrical shock. And even if it works, it's only a question of whether a tube burns out before the battery dies." - lazystar's grandpa, circa 1923
  - lazystar 3y ago
    as i mentioned earlier, i was one of the first generation of bitcoin users. the problems with it have yet to be fixed.
    - CamperBob2 3y ago
      This isn't bitcoin. It's radio.
clauderoux 3y ago
AI today is in a weird position. What I can do today with AI was _inimaginable_ just 1 year ago. However, for a lot of people, the concept has worn out so fast, that they don't realize anymore what has happened... Some very intelligent people said some very silly things, such as that it was a bad search engine (it isn't a search engine) that it was a glorified word guesser (it doesn't exactly work as your telephone word suggestion). And so on and so forth. People always try to understand new technology through the lense of older technology. I do it, you certainly do it. This is how we grasp novelty. But AI is in a different dimension. I have been working in the domain for 30 years and I really didn't think we would reach this level in my life time. Talking to a computer to bring it to make some quite complicated task is INCREDIBLE... However, since communication is really ubiquitous for Humans, we tend to forget that it is an incredible achievement... In less than a year, we went for Scify ("Her") to reality, and in less than a year people have become blasé for something so fantastic... This is what consummerism did to people... They can't wonder more than a year...
- ncruces 3y ago
  It's a wonder. But if capex and opex are insane, and go up with every generation, the magic fades quickly. Like, GitHub Copilot may be amazing, but if it looses money for every added user, if power users loose the company 4 or 8 times what they already pay, then maybe it's not an efficient use of compute resources.
  - code_biologist 3y ago
    Yes, this. What made tech companies valued at higher revenue multiples than other industries is that new users could start using a product at near zero marginal cost once the tech was built. New revenue at zero marginal cost. AI is great but expensive to operate and the expense grows in direct proportion to usage. New users come in and you have to stand up a new data center full of H100s to serve it.
- calf 3y ago
  > Talking to a computer to bring it to make some quite complicated task is INCREDIBLE... Are there any good examples of this? I struggle to use ChatGPT, maybe I'm using it not cleverly (or deeply) enough.

You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.

by Tohhou 3y ago

You must not use AI if you think this. AI is not the bubble. Everything AI will replace is the bubble.

AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.

Tohhou 3y ago
You're one of the ones who used to call bitcoin "buttcoin" didn't you? Very sure of yourself, very wrong.
- carstenhag 3y ago
  Seeing btc is still quite useless apart from a few legitimate reasons, otherwise mostly being used for illegal purposes: yes, btc is a failure.
- lazystar 3y ago
  after i lost everything in the mtgox scandal, i used my last bitcoin to buy a lenovo thinkpad, which i used to learn computer programming and network engineering.
- 9dev 3y ago
  Oh, you mean because Bitcoin didn’t turn out as a stupidly-high risk speculation object without any value rooted in reality, wasting a sizeable portion of the power production of a world threatened by the climate crisis, swinging between orders of magnitude in valuation on Elon‘s whims? The Bitcoin that is irrelevant everywhere else but the crypto bubble itself?
- smcl 3y ago
  Come on man, we're all on the AI hype train now. Get with the program, you're one bubble behind!
eurekin 3y ago
The interesting to boring scale depends on novelty. Given the ai oversaturation it works exactly as expected. AI Art is currently in very early stage. In the real art space (3d modeling, sculpting, animation, vfx, animation, rigging, retargeting), it could make huge breakthroughs and multiply true artists' productivity in significant ways
- nottorp 3y ago
  I've noticed that those who worship productivity tend to appreciate "content creators" not artists :)
  - eurekin 3y ago
    During my brief venture into 3d graphics I often found that 1 hour of truly creating is spaced between ten hours of fixing up UV's, redoing topology, finding cause for the seam, trying to make a watertight mesh for photon tracing, fighting the subdivision algorithm to retain details, diverting a edge loop, where it causes the less distress. I call the first hour true productivity. The last part is, from the perspective of the end product, simply a wasted time. That's very similar to the boilerplate code everybody agrees is a necessary evil in the programming. If AI allows to reduce the #2 it truly will have positive impact
    - nottorp 3y ago
      It's interesting how some terms we use reveal our world view. What does referring to art as "product" imply?
CamperBob2 3y ago
"This radio thing is a dead end. I usually just get a bunch of static when I turn it on, or maybe an electrical shock. And even if it works, it's only a question of whether a tube burns out before the battery dies." - lazystar's grandpa, circa 1923
- lazystar 3y ago
  as i mentioned earlier, i was one of the first generation of bitcoin users. the problems with it have yet to be fixed.
  - CamperBob2 3y ago
    This isn't bitcoin. It's radio.

clauderoux 3y ago

AI today is in a weird position. What I can do today with AI was _inimaginable_ just 1 year ago. However, for a lot of people, the concept has worn out so fast, that they don't realize anymore what has happened... Some very intelligent people said some very silly things, such as that it was a bad search engine (it isn't a search engine) that it was a glorified word guesser (it doesn't exactly work as your telephone word suggestion). And so on and so forth. People always try to understand new technology through the lense of older technology. I do it, you certainly do it. This is how we grasp novelty. But AI is in a different dimension. I have been working in the domain for 30 years and I really didn't think we would reach this level in my life time. Talking to a computer to bring it to make some quite complicated task is INCREDIBLE... However, since communication is really ubiquitous for Humans, we tend to forget that it is an incredible achievement... In less than a year, we went for Scify ("Her") to reality, and in less than a year people have become blasé for something so fantastic... This is what consummerism did to people... They can't wonder more than a year...

ncruces 3y ago
It's a wonder. But if capex and opex are insane, and go up with every generation, the magic fades quickly. Like, GitHub Copilot may be amazing, but if it looses money for every added user, if power users loose the company 4 or 8 times what they already pay, then maybe it's not an efficient use of compute resources.
- code_biologist 3y ago
  Yes, this. What made tech companies valued at higher revenue multiples than other industries is that new users could start using a product at near zero marginal cost once the tech was built. New revenue at zero marginal cost. AI is great but expensive to operate and the expense grows in direct proportion to usage. New users come in and you have to stand up a new data center full of H100s to serve it.
calf 3y ago
> Talking to a computer to bring it to make some quite complicated task is INCREDIBLE... Are there any good examples of this? I struggle to use ChatGPT, maybe I'm using it not cleverly (or deeply) enough.