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I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the

I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

romeros 3y ago
What's the use of a newborn baby? AI is as real as the mobile/internet/pc revolution of the past. So many use it obsessively every single day.
- lazystar 3y ago
  "This is good for bitcoin."
corethree 3y ago
I paid the 20 dollar subscription. I don't even subscribe to netflix.
hilux 3y ago
Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster. That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.
- Mentlo 3y ago
  Chat gpt is not a good source of truth so can’t be used for information retrieval at scale. You might have a specific usage pattern that is very different to the majority of Google Search users so it works for you
  - cryptoz 3y ago
    Searching Google is not a good source of truth either; especially their infoboxes which have been infamously and dangerously wrong. And if you follow a random search result link - well, who knows if the content on that site is trustworthy either!
    - Mentlo 3y ago
      But you’re in control of your information retrieval, you didn’t have an unreliable agent synthesise bits in the middle. Again - to each their own. But what people use google for GPT doesn’t replicate anyway (and what the Google business was built on) - which is commercial info retrieval.
      - hilux 3y ago
        As of a recent update, ChatGPT can do an internet search to answer "find a Thai restaurant near me." Of course, it uses Bing, not Google. And for my single query above, ChatGPT searched multiple sources, aggregated the results, and offered a summary and recommendations, which is a lot more than Google would have done. ChatGPT's major current limitation is that it just refuses to answer certain questions [what is the email address for person.name?] or gets very woke with some other answers.
  - Racing0461 3y ago
    the ad ridden shitware website filled with seo buzzwords with 100% opacity keywords also isn't a good source of truth. i'll take chatgpt over that.
    - Mentlo 3y ago
      Sure, use a different search engine then. To each their own.
  - taberiand 3y ago
    Personally, I don't have use case for comparing Google and ChatGPT that has truth as a requirement in the output. For the majority of my use of ChatGPT and Google, I need to be able to get useful answers to vague questions - answers that I can confirm for myself through other means - and I need to iterate on those questions to hone in on the problem at hand. ChatGPT is undoubtedly superior to Google in that regard.
- repomies69 3y ago
  I used it in the beginning, but now I am back to google... I don't think the results were better with ChatGPT.
- beshur 3y ago
  Google ads span much more farther than in search - it's all over internet, on all websites, mobile etc.
- jay_kyburz 3y ago
  For the past week or so I have been typing my search queries into Open AI, Bard and Duck Duck Go to compare them. I haven't finished making up my mind, the the AI's are doing OK. I have only been asking it for code snippets that are easily verifiable.
- jliptzin 3y ago
  Google doesn’t care if you’re going elsewhere to ask deep questions about Rust or whatever. They care way more that people go to them to look for the best bread mixer, or find a good restaurant, or a local massage therapist. In that regard I think Amazon is still a much bigger threat to them. GPT is very useful as a knowledge tool, but I don’t see people going there to make purchasing decisions. It replaces stackoverflow and quora, not Google. For shopping, I need to see the top X raw results, with reviews, so I can come to my own conclusion. Many people even find shopping fun (I don’t) and wouldn’t want to replace the experience with a chatbot even if it were somehow objectively better.
  - hilux 3y ago
    Fair enough. My questions are more likely to be about Fast.ai, but I get your point. Did you see the recent article about a restaurant changing its name to "Thai Food near me"?
  - konschubert 3y ago
    Yea. No. People stopping to use google for the small stuff will be the beginning of the end of google being the mental default for searches.
    - jliptzin 3y ago
      There is a wide variety of services available to people for specific use cases. When stack overflow came along, I used that for programming questions instead of google. But I still use google for most other searches. I go to Amazon if I want to find a book or a specific product. For the latest news, I come here, or Reddit, or sometimes twitter. If I want to look up information about a famous person or topic, I go to Wikipedia (usually via google search). I know I can ask ChatGPT, but Wikipedia is generally more up to date, well-written and highly scrutinized by humans. The jury’s still out on exactly what role ChatGPT will serve in the long term, but we’ve seen this kind of unbundling many times before and Google is still just as popular and useful as ever. It seems like GPT’s killer app is helping guide your learning of a new topic, like having a personal tutor. I don’t see that replacing all aspects of a general purpose search engine though.
ssnistfajen 3y ago
Even if OpenAI implodes it will hardly impact other LLM-focused startups. In fact it would probably be a boon for them as people search for GPT alternatives. Sam & Greg could start a new AI company by Monday and instantly achieve unicorn valuation. Hardly a burst.
- JCharante 3y ago
  Honestly this is exciting. Are they going to be the first company to achieve a $1 Billion evaluation within 3 days? Would they file the incorporation papers on Monday meaning they get that valuation within 24 hours?
- Rastonbury 3y ago
  This is almost certain to happen if they can snag the talent, I bet his phone is blowing up with VCs right now, revenge move and now unshackled from a non-profit nature of OpenAI
  - gdiamos 3y ago
    Where are they going to get the compute or the data?
uh_uh 3y ago
> I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I agree, it's greatly undervalued!

romeros 3y ago

What's the use of a newborn baby? AI is as real as the mobile/internet/pc revolution of the past. So many use it obsessively every single day.

lazystar 3y ago
"This is good for bitcoin."

corethree 3y ago

I paid the 20 dollar subscription. I don't even subscribe to netflix.

hilux 3y ago

Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster. That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.

Mentlo 3y ago
Chat gpt is not a good source of truth so can’t be used for information retrieval at scale. You might have a specific usage pattern that is very different to the majority of Google Search users so it works for you
- cryptoz 3y ago
  Searching Google is not a good source of truth either; especially their infoboxes which have been infamously and dangerously wrong. And if you follow a random search result link - well, who knows if the content on that site is trustworthy either!
  - Mentlo 3y ago
    But you’re in control of your information retrieval, you didn’t have an unreliable agent synthesise bits in the middle. Again - to each their own. But what people use google for GPT doesn’t replicate anyway (and what the Google business was built on) - which is commercial info retrieval.
    - hilux 3y ago
      As of a recent update, ChatGPT can do an internet search to answer "find a Thai restaurant near me." Of course, it uses Bing, not Google. And for my single query above, ChatGPT searched multiple sources, aggregated the results, and offered a summary and recommendations, which is a lot more than Google would have done. ChatGPT's major current limitation is that it just refuses to answer certain questions [what is the email address for person.name?] or gets very woke with some other answers.
- Racing0461 3y ago
  the ad ridden shitware website filled with seo buzzwords with 100% opacity keywords also isn't a good source of truth. i'll take chatgpt over that.
  - Mentlo 3y ago
    Sure, use a different search engine then. To each their own.
- taberiand 3y ago
  Personally, I don't have use case for comparing Google and ChatGPT that has truth as a requirement in the output. For the majority of my use of ChatGPT and Google, I need to be able to get useful answers to vague questions - answers that I can confirm for myself through other means - and I need to iterate on those questions to hone in on the problem at hand. ChatGPT is undoubtedly superior to Google in that regard.
repomies69 3y ago
I used it in the beginning, but now I am back to google... I don't think the results were better with ChatGPT.
beshur 3y ago
Google ads span much more farther than in search - it's all over internet, on all websites, mobile etc.
jay_kyburz 3y ago
For the past week or so I have been typing my search queries into Open AI, Bard and Duck Duck Go to compare them. I haven't finished making up my mind, the the AI's are doing OK. I have only been asking it for code snippets that are easily verifiable.
jliptzin 3y ago
Google doesn’t care if you’re going elsewhere to ask deep questions about Rust or whatever. They care way more that people go to them to look for the best bread mixer, or find a good restaurant, or a local massage therapist. In that regard I think Amazon is still a much bigger threat to them. GPT is very useful as a knowledge tool, but I don’t see people going there to make purchasing decisions. It replaces stackoverflow and quora, not Google. For shopping, I need to see the top X raw results, with reviews, so I can come to my own conclusion. Many people even find shopping fun (I don’t) and wouldn’t want to replace the experience with a chatbot even if it were somehow objectively better.
- hilux 3y ago
  Fair enough. My questions are more likely to be about Fast.ai, but I get your point. Did you see the recent article about a restaurant changing its name to "Thai Food near me"?
- konschubert 3y ago
  Yea. No. People stopping to use google for the small stuff will be the beginning of the end of google being the mental default for searches.
  - jliptzin 3y ago
    There is a wide variety of services available to people for specific use cases. When stack overflow came along, I used that for programming questions instead of google. But I still use google for most other searches. I go to Amazon if I want to find a book or a specific product. For the latest news, I come here, or Reddit, or sometimes twitter. If I want to look up information about a famous person or topic, I go to Wikipedia (usually via google search). I know I can ask ChatGPT, but Wikipedia is generally more up to date, well-written and highly scrutinized by humans. The jury’s still out on exactly what role ChatGPT will serve in the long term, but we’ve seen this kind of unbundling many times before and Google is still just as popular and useful as ever. It seems like GPT’s killer app is helping guide your learning of a new topic, like having a personal tutor. I don’t see that replacing all aspects of a general purpose search engine though.

ssnistfajen 3y ago

Even if OpenAI implodes it will hardly impact other LLM-focused startups. In fact it would probably be a boon for them as people search for GPT alternatives. Sam & Greg could start a new AI company by Monday and instantly achieve unicorn valuation. Hardly a burst.

JCharante 3y ago
Honestly this is exciting. Are they going to be the first company to achieve a $1 Billion evaluation within 3 days? Would they file the incorporation papers on Monday meaning they get that valuation within 24 hours?
Rastonbury 3y ago
This is almost certain to happen if they can snag the talent, I bet his phone is blowing up with VCs right now, revenge move and now unshackled from a non-profit nature of OpenAI
- gdiamos 3y ago
  Where are they going to get the compute or the data?

uh_uh 3y ago

> I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I agree, it's greatly undervalued!