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X to Sue Media Matters

MallocVoidstar 3y ago
The Media Matters report they're being sued over is here: https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemit... X says only one tweet in that report violated its rules (and not enough to suspend the user); the report shows multiple explicitly pro-Hitler tweets.
minimaxir 3y ago
Wait to see if Elon actually files it. This is not the first time he's threatened to sue.
- deleted 3y ago
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clouddrover 3y ago
> Above everything, including profit, X works to protect the public's right to free speech Such a blatant lie. Musk isn't interested in your rights or freedoms: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-s... Instead of launching a lawsuit, Twitter should focus on more practical matters like paying its rent: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64381582 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64381582 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-lawsuit-he-never-planned-to-pay-rent-2023-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-lawsuit-he... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/elon-musk-twitter-rent-payment-commercial-real-estate-goldman-sachs-2023-6?op=1 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/elon-mu...
- MallocVoidstar 3y ago
  He also announced that supporting "decolonization" is grounds for suspension today: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435
eviks 3y ago
How can you protect free speech by standing with the company trying to use state violence to stifle free speech?
- leobg 3y ago
  Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Specifically when it concerns consequences of libel and defamation. Freedom of speech is the freedom to express opinions and debate. And even that is no guarantee that what do you say it will be liked by others, or won’t get you in trouble with others.
  - MallocVoidstar 3y ago
    Musk does believe that freedom of speech means freedom from consequences. Look at his promise that anyone fired for posts on X will receive legal defense: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688022163574439937 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688022163574439937 Though as far as I know, the only thing he's actually done since that promise is this: https://www.ft.com/content/9642f1a5-e1b4-41ec-86f3-30e6d02e5f1b https://www.ft.com/content/9642f1a5-e1b4-41ec-86f3-30e6d02e5... which definitely isn't what people expected him to defend.
  - eviks 3y ago
    Actually, the whole point of having a legally protected freedom is specifically to avoid some serious consequences (you don't have the freedom to "debate" anything if you're sued into bankruptcy after expressing your "opinion") But you've shifted your response far enough from the court elephant in the room into the irrelevant "liked by others" territory that it may even be parsed as not a contradiction
    - leobg 3y ago
      Serious consequences wrt the state. Not other citizens. And those can use the legal system to sue you. For "speech" in terms of facts, the state will help a citizen get a retraction and/or damages if the facts were objectively wrong. For opinions, only if they were so crude that they attacked the human rather than the position.
woodruffw 3y ago
A "thermonuclear" lawsuit is surely enough to get us to DEATH CON 3[1]. This is a manifestly embarrassing (and toothless) threat. [1]: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/09/1127732183/kanye-west-instagram-twitter https://www.npr.org/2022/10/09/1127732183/kanye-west-instagr...
jelavich 3y ago
What about the freedom of speech to publish flight logs? I like how 90% of blue check lackeys hide who they are.

The Media Matters report they're being sued over is here: https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemitic-conspiracy-theory-x-has-been-placing-ads-apple-bravo-ibm-oracle https://www.mediamatters.org/twitter/musk-endorses-antisemit... X says only one tweet in that report violated its rules (and not enough to suspend the user); the report shows multiple explicitly pro-Hitler tweets.

minimaxir 3y ago

Wait to see if Elon actually files it. This is not the first time he's threatened to sue.

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clouddrover 3y ago

> Above everything, including profit, X works to protect the public's right to free speech Such a blatant lie. Musk isn't interested in your rights or freedoms: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/rcna81961 https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-suspends-accounts-journalists-musk https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/15/twitter-s... Instead of launching a lawsuit, Twitter should focus on more practical matters like paying its rent: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64381582 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64381582 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-lawsuit-he-never-planned-to-pay-rent-2023-5?op=1 https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-lawsuit-he... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/elon-musk-twitter-rent-payment-commercial-real-estate-goldman-sachs-2023-6?op=1 https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/commodities/elon-mu...

MallocVoidstar 3y ago
He also announced that supporting "decolonization" is grounds for suspension today: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1725645884409401435

eviks 3y ago

How can you protect free speech by standing with the company trying to use state violence to stifle free speech?

leobg 3y ago
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. Specifically when it concerns consequences of libel and defamation. Freedom of speech is the freedom to express opinions and debate. And even that is no guarantee that what do you say it will be liked by others, or won’t get you in trouble with others.
- MallocVoidstar 3y ago
  Musk does believe that freedom of speech means freedom from consequences. Look at his promise that anyone fired for posts on X will receive legal defense: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688022163574439937 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1688022163574439937 Though as far as I know, the only thing he's actually done since that promise is this: https://www.ft.com/content/9642f1a5-e1b4-41ec-86f3-30e6d02e5f1b https://www.ft.com/content/9642f1a5-e1b4-41ec-86f3-30e6d02e5... which definitely isn't what people expected him to defend.
- eviks 3y ago
  Actually, the whole point of having a legally protected freedom is specifically to avoid some serious consequences (you don't have the freedom to "debate" anything if you're sued into bankruptcy after expressing your "opinion") But you've shifted your response far enough from the court elephant in the room into the irrelevant "liked by others" territory that it may even be parsed as not a contradiction
  - leobg 3y ago
    Serious consequences wrt the state. Not other citizens. And those can use the legal system to sue you. For "speech" in terms of facts, the state will help a citizen get a retraction and/or damages if the facts were objectively wrong. For opinions, only if they were so crude that they attacked the human rather than the position.

woodruffw 3y ago

A "thermonuclear" lawsuit is surely enough to get us to DEATH CON 3[1]. This is a manifestly embarrassing (and toothless) threat. [1]: https://www.npr.org/2022/10/09/1127732183/kanye-west-instagram-twitter https://www.npr.org/2022/10/09/1127732183/kanye-west-instagr...

jelavich 3y ago

What about the freedom of speech to publish flight logs? I like how 90% of blue check lackeys hide who they are.