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I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another com

by Geee 3y ago

I think I see it now. Speculation following: They achieved AGI internally, but didn't want OpenAI to have it. All the important people will move to another company, following Sam, and OpenAI is left with nothing more than a rotting GPT. They planned all this from the start, which is why Sam didn't care about equity or long-term finances. They spent all the money in this one-shot gamble to achieve AGI, which can be reimplemented at another company. Legally it's not IP theft, because it's just code which can be memorized and rewritten. Sam got himself fired intentionally, which gives him and his followers a plausible cover story for moving to another company and continuing the work there. I'm expecting that all researchers from OpenAI will follow Sam.

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago
If you understand a bit of math you would know there is no AGI and there would be no AGI on the current path.
- LatticeAnimal 3y ago
  What "bit of math" are you referring to? Similarly, would you have said the same things one year ago about the capabilities that ChatGPT currently possesses?
woeirua 3y ago
This is certainly a take, but MSFT would probably sue the hell out of them if they tried to do this.
- xyst 3y ago
  US patent lawyers can’t touch China mainland.
  - woeirua 3y ago
    Right, so he’s going to flee the US for China?!? Come on.
26fingies 3y ago
No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.
- lenerdenator 3y ago
  Is it? Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?
  - sheepscreek 3y ago
    GPT and transformer code has been open sourced many times over by different companies. The weights and the operational model is where the IP really is. This will include the architecture for distributing training and inference at this scale. That said m, any developer and scientist worth their salt will be able to replicate it from memory - without having to copy stuff over 1:1. So unless any of the necessary bits are patented, I highly doubt an argument against them starting a new company will hold in the courts. Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder. Also - the wanting to get himself fired intentionally argument doesn’t have any substance. What will he gain from that? If anything, him leaving on his own terms sounds like a much stronger argument. I don’t buy the getting-fired-and-having-no-choice-but-to-start-an-AGI-company argument. An interesting twist would be if he joins Elon in his pursuit. Pure speculation, sharing it just for amusement. I don’t think they’ll ever work together. Can’t have two people calling the shots at the top. Leaves employees confused and rarely ever works. Probably not very good for their own mental health either.
    - astrange 3y ago
      > Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder. It's very difficult to enforce anything like this in California. They can pay him to not work, but can't just require it.
windowshopping 3y ago
I thought this was a joke and would end with "/s" and now I'm just left with mouth slightly agape, completely in awe.
sheepscreek 3y ago
Interesting view - I, and many others presumably, would really like more insight into the source and nature of this speculation. I am not dismissing the possibility, far from it. It sounds very plausible. But are there any credible reports to back it up?
- Geee 3y ago
  Speculation means: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. It's just a fun theory, which I think is plausible. It's based on my personal view of how Sam Altman operates, i.e. very smart, very calculative, makes big gambles for the "greater purpose".
  - sheepscreek 3y ago
    I believe the comment was edited. The original comment made a mention of “seeing a lot of speculation” (paraphrasing) that piqued my curiosity. The source of the speculation could further enhance or remove the probability of this being true. For instance, a journalist who covers OpenAI vs. a random tweeter (now X’er?) with no direct connection. It’s a loose application of Bayesian reasoning - where knowing the likelihood of one event (occupation of speculator and their connection to AI) can significantly increase the probability of the other event (the speculation).
cthalupa 3y ago
> Legally it's not IP theft, because it's just code which can be memorized and rewritten. That is not how IP law works. Even writing new code based on the IP developed at OpenAI would be IP theft. None of this really makes sense when you consider that Ilya Sutskever, arguably the single most important person at OpenAI, appears to have been a part of removing Sam.
- w-ll 3y ago
  Would Ilya maybe the one to push for AGI, and Sam didn't? And the board wants the Skynet they were promissed?
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by Geee 3y ago

ilrwbwrkhv 3y ago

If you understand a bit of math you would know there is no AGI and there would be no AGI on the current path.

LatticeAnimal 3y ago
What "bit of math" are you referring to? Similarly, would you have said the same things one year ago about the capabilities that ChatGPT currently possesses?

woeirua 3y ago

This is certainly a take, but MSFT would probably sue the hell out of them if they tried to do this.

xyst 3y ago
US patent lawyers can’t touch China mainland.
- woeirua 3y ago
  Right, so he’s going to flee the US for China?!? Come on.

26fingies 3y ago

No I don’t think that’s what happened at all. Also memorizing code and rewriting it is very much IP theft.

lenerdenator 3y ago
Is it? Seriously, I’m asking. Like… if you were an engineer that worked on UNIX System V at AT&T/Bell Labs and contributed code to the BSDs from memory alone, would you really be liable?
- sheepscreek 3y ago
  GPT and transformer code has been open sourced many times over by different companies. The weights and the operational model is where the IP really is. This will include the architecture for distributing training and inference at this scale. That said m, any developer and scientist worth their salt will be able to replicate it from memory - without having to copy stuff over 1:1. So unless any of the necessary bits are patented, I highly doubt an argument against them starting a new company will hold in the courts. Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder. Also - the wanting to get himself fired intentionally argument doesn’t have any substance. What will he gain from that? If anything, him leaving on his own terms sounds like a much stronger argument. I don’t buy the getting-fired-and-having-no-choice-but-to-start-an-AGI-company argument. An interesting twist would be if he joins Elon in his pursuit. Pure speculation, sharing it just for amusement. I don’t think they’ll ever work together. Can’t have two people calling the shots at the top. Leaves employees confused and rarely ever works. Probably not very good for their own mental health either.
  - astrange 3y ago
    > Sometimes the contracts can include a cool-down period before a person can seek employment in the same industry/niche, I don’t think that will apply in Sam’s case - as he was a founder. It's very difficult to enforce anything like this in California. They can pay him to not work, but can't just require it.

windowshopping 3y ago

I thought this was a joke and would end with "/s" and now I'm just left with mouth slightly agape, completely in awe.

sheepscreek 3y ago

Interesting view - I, and many others presumably, would really like more insight into the source and nature of this speculation. I am not dismissing the possibility, far from it. It sounds very plausible. But are there any credible reports to back it up?

Geee 3y ago
Speculation means: the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence. It's just a fun theory, which I think is plausible. It's based on my personal view of how Sam Altman operates, i.e. very smart, very calculative, makes big gambles for the "greater purpose".
- sheepscreek 3y ago
  I believe the comment was edited. The original comment made a mention of “seeing a lot of speculation” (paraphrasing) that piqued my curiosity. The source of the speculation could further enhance or remove the probability of this being true. For instance, a journalist who covers OpenAI vs. a random tweeter (now X’er?) with no direct connection. It’s a loose application of Bayesian reasoning - where knowing the likelihood of one event (occupation of speculator and their connection to AI) can significantly increase the probability of the other event (the speculation).

cthalupa 3y ago

> Legally it's not IP theft, because it's just code which can be memorized and rewritten. That is not how IP law works. Even writing new code based on the IP developed at OpenAI would be IP theft. None of this really makes sense when you consider that Ilya Sutskever, arguably the single most important person at OpenAI, appears to have been a part of removing Sam.

w-ll 3y ago
Would Ilya maybe the one to push for AGI, and Sam didn't? And the board wants the Skynet they were promissed?

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