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Hope they fire the person that forced verified phone numbers on new accounts.

by grpt 3y ago

I_am_tiberius 3y ago
And the person who decided that the settings (disable usage for training data) and (save prompts) can't be individually controlled. Also that the default is that your data is used for training purposes. Both are clear indications that privacy was no importance to them.
- brianjking 3y ago
  You can opt out of training and keep your history turned on in the privacy center. You fill out a form and indicate your country of residence.
  - I_am_tiberius 3y ago
    Which privacy center? I only have settings. And in settings there is the sub-category Data controls where I disable "Chat history & training".
    - brianjking 3y ago
      It was previously a Google form without any confirmation. As of late October, they moved it to this privacy center that they keep conveniently well hidden. This page provides confirmation that your request is processed: https://privacy.openai.com/policies https://privacy.openai.com/policies
malinens 3y ago
Verifying phone number is one of the last things which is still effective when fighting against bot registrations. Alternative is to ask money for registration. Here is idea for hacker news crowd: make service which is a proxy for phone number validation: user needs to validate his phone number once in that app and any other 3rd-party service can ask this app for security code which confirms phone number ownership. We use something similar by offloading phone number confirmation via Telegram bot. Also this proxy service could optionally offload management of "bad" phone numbers used by spammers and add other protections
- grpt 3y ago
  > Alternative is to ask money for registration. I'm 100% ok with this. I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Same as I can do with Netflix. Better than linking a unique ID I use everywhere else. I think what bugs me the most is that there's no direct need for the phone. It's reasonable to give my phone number to a doctor's office because I need to hear from them over the phone.
  - latexr 3y ago
    > I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Technically you can also pay for a burner service to get temporary phone numbers to receive SMSs for registering to services. Can’t attest if any of them are good or trustworthy. I recently looked into it but everything I found was a subscription and/or shady looking.
- zone411 3y ago
  Nice idea, I hope somebody builds it. Signal just showed that they're spending $6 mil/year for verifying phone numbers.
  - malinens 3y ago
    That's why we offloaded phone validation to Telegram - it is too costly to send SMS in other countries than our home market and spammers are finding ways to get phone numbers for free from different VoIP providers. We need to implement complicated SMS sending limit logic to avoid abuse
- bloopernova 3y ago
  KeyBase could have been that service. I really wish they'd stayed focused on identification rather than crypto wallets and chat.

Hope they fire the person that forced verified phone numbers on new accounts.

by grpt 3y ago

Hope they fire the person that forced verified phone numbers on new accounts.

And the person who decided that the settings (disable usage for training data) and (save prompts) can't be individually controlled. Also that the default is that your data is used for training purposes. Both are clear indications that privacy was no importance to them.

brianjking 3y ago
You can opt out of training and keep your history turned on in the privacy center. You fill out a form and indicate your country of residence.
- I_am_tiberius 3y ago
  Which privacy center? I only have settings. And in settings there is the sub-category Data controls where I disable "Chat history & training".
  - brianjking 3y ago
    It was previously a Google form without any confirmation. As of late October, they moved it to this privacy center that they keep conveniently well hidden. This page provides confirmation that your request is processed: https://privacy.openai.com/policies https://privacy.openai.com/policies

malinens 3y ago

Verifying phone number is one of the last things which is still effective when fighting against bot registrations. Alternative is to ask money for registration. Here is idea for hacker news crowd: make service which is a proxy for phone number validation: user needs to validate his phone number once in that app and any other 3rd-party service can ask this app for security code which confirms phone number ownership. We use something similar by offloading phone number confirmation via Telegram bot. Also this proxy service could optionally offload management of "bad" phone numbers used by spammers and add other protections

grpt 3y ago
> Alternative is to ask money for registration. I'm 100% ok with this. I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Same as I can do with Netflix. Better than linking a unique ID I use everywhere else. I think what bugs me the most is that there's no direct need for the phone. It's reasonable to give my phone number to a doctor's office because I need to hear from them over the phone.
- latexr 3y ago
  > I have the choice of using a Visa/MC gift card I bought with cash. Technically you can also pay for a burner service to get temporary phone numbers to receive SMSs for registering to services. Can’t attest if any of them are good or trustworthy. I recently looked into it but everything I found was a subscription and/or shady looking.
zone411 3y ago
Nice idea, I hope somebody builds it. Signal just showed that they're spending $6 mil/year for verifying phone numbers.
- malinens 3y ago
  That's why we offloaded phone validation to Telegram - it is too costly to send SMS in other countries than our home market and spammers are finding ways to get phone numbers for free from different VoIP providers. We need to implement complicated SMS sending limit logic to avoid abuse
bloopernova 3y ago
KeyBase could have been that service. I really wish they'd stayed focused on identification rather than crypto wallets and chat.