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Greg is the one who announced GPT-4. Sam enabled Greg and vice-versa. The next AI winter may have just begun...

fatherzine 3y ago
"the next AI winter may have just begun" -- good! time to stop playing with existential fire. humans suffice. every flaw you see in humans will be magnified X times by an intelligence X times stronger than humans. whether it is autonomous or human lead.
bananapub 3y ago
what a fucking ridiculous statement - sam altman is just a YC VC machine man, and I'm sure openai can find another CTO in the hottest ML market in history.
- woeirua 3y ago
  We just don’t know enough yet. Sam could’ve been let go over a disagreement about direction. Or he could’ve been cooking the books. Or he could’ve been concealing the true operating costs. Or subscriber numbers. Some of those things just require a change in leadership. Others are existential risks to OpenAI.
  - jodrellblank 3y ago
    Or their first real AGI could have ousted him.
dougmwne 3y ago
Thermonuclear winter is more likely at this point. 4 AI safety believers that formed a board majority just got spooked.
__loam 3y ago
If the AI ecosystem is so fragile that the ouster of two men from one start up is enough to destroy it then it wasn't ever a solid bet. I don't think this will mean much for the broad viability of these systems. Gpt is clearly valuable, but I guess we need to figure out if these systems can be run profitably. I'm not sure people have given much thought to how insanely expensive running massive gpu clusters is. It might just fundamentally not scale well.
LegibleCrimson 3y ago
> The next AI winter may have just begun... Because two executives were ousted from a company? That's dramatic.
- cyanydeez 3y ago
  this entire thread is a fascinating treatise on AI philosophy mixed with business conspiracy.
potatopatch 3y ago
Thomas Crapper stepped down from the Crapper company in 1904, which is why we don't have Crappers today.
wildpeaks 3y ago
The CEO and board aren't the people who create the actual products or do the research.
strikelaserclaw 3y ago
Yea cause Steve Jobs dying stopped apple from becoming a juggernaut. People need to stop idolizing the fact that one or two people are "indispensable". Humanity moves forward eventually, even if Einstein wasn't born, someone would have figured out general relativity.
- adharmad 3y ago
  Unrelated, but maybe you mean special relativity. Poincaré was very close and others like Lorentz would have made the logical leap to discover special relativity. Most scientists however agree that GR would have taken much longer for someone to fill in the crucial gap of modeling gravity as the geometry of space time. But sooner or later someone would have done it.
- sicariusnoctis 3y ago
  It's also quite silly that society often credits one guy at the top who supposedly has "incredible vision" and yet would likely fail at explaining even the most basic technical details. And if such a person must be credited, why not the CTO, chief engineers, or principal scientists, who are at least closer to what actually drive the technical innovations than the CEO? In reality, it's actually the 1000s of actual engineers that deserve most of the credit, and yet are never mentioned. Society never learns about the one engineer (or team) that solves a problem that others have been stuck on for some time. The aggregate contributions of such innovators are a far more significant driving force behind progress. Why do we never hear of the many? It's probably because it's just easier to focus on a single personality who can be marketed as an "unconventional genius" or some such nonsense.
  - strikelaserclaw 3y ago
    Our stupid monkey brains are evolved to work in a primitive, human centric way, we always need a "figure", a "leader" to look up to, we can't comprehend that many people can be involved in something, that doesn't satisfy our primate brains need to follow or worship someone.
  - manquer 3y ago
justcool393 3y ago
we can only hope i'm sick and tired of everyone sticking a chatbot on random crap that doesn't need it and has no reason to ever need it. it also made HN a lot less interesting to read

"the next AI winter may have just begun" -- good! time to stop playing with existential fire. humans suffice. every flaw you see in humans will be magnified X times by an intelligence X times stronger than humans. whether it is autonomous or human lead.

bananapub 3y ago

what a fucking ridiculous statement - sam altman is just a YC VC machine man, and I'm sure openai can find another CTO in the hottest ML market in history.

woeirua 3y ago
We just don’t know enough yet. Sam could’ve been let go over a disagreement about direction. Or he could’ve been cooking the books. Or he could’ve been concealing the true operating costs. Or subscriber numbers. Some of those things just require a change in leadership. Others are existential risks to OpenAI.
- jodrellblank 3y ago
  Or their first real AGI could have ousted him.

dougmwne 3y ago

Thermonuclear winter is more likely at this point. 4 AI safety believers that formed a board majority just got spooked.

__loam 3y ago

If the AI ecosystem is so fragile that the ouster of two men from one start up is enough to destroy it then it wasn't ever a solid bet. I don't think this will mean much for the broad viability of these systems. Gpt is clearly valuable, but I guess we need to figure out if these systems can be run profitably. I'm not sure people have given much thought to how insanely expensive running massive gpu clusters is. It might just fundamentally not scale well.

LegibleCrimson 3y ago

> The next AI winter may have just begun... Because two executives were ousted from a company? That's dramatic.

cyanydeez 3y ago
this entire thread is a fascinating treatise on AI philosophy mixed with business conspiracy.

potatopatch 3y ago

Thomas Crapper stepped down from the Crapper company in 1904, which is why we don't have Crappers today.

wildpeaks 3y ago

The CEO and board aren't the people who create the actual products or do the research.

strikelaserclaw 3y ago

Yea cause Steve Jobs dying stopped apple from becoming a juggernaut. People need to stop idolizing the fact that one or two people are "indispensable". Humanity moves forward eventually, even if Einstein wasn't born, someone would have figured out general relativity.

adharmad 3y ago
Unrelated, but maybe you mean special relativity. Poincaré was very close and others like Lorentz would have made the logical leap to discover special relativity. Most scientists however agree that GR would have taken much longer for someone to fill in the crucial gap of modeling gravity as the geometry of space time. But sooner or later someone would have done it.
sicariusnoctis 3y ago
It's also quite silly that society often credits one guy at the top who supposedly has "incredible vision" and yet would likely fail at explaining even the most basic technical details. And if such a person must be credited, why not the CTO, chief engineers, or principal scientists, who are at least closer to what actually drive the technical innovations than the CEO? In reality, it's actually the 1000s of actual engineers that deserve most of the credit, and yet are never mentioned. Society never learns about the one engineer (or team) that solves a problem that others have been stuck on for some time. The aggregate contributions of such innovators are a far more significant driving force behind progress. Why do we never hear of the many? It's probably because it's just easier to focus on a single personality who can be marketed as an "unconventional genius" or some such nonsense.
- strikelaserclaw 3y ago
  Our stupid monkey brains are evolved to work in a primitive, human centric way, we always need a "figure", a "leader" to look up to, we can't comprehend that many people can be involved in something, that doesn't satisfy our primate brains need to follow or worship someone.
- manquer 3y ago

justcool393 3y ago

we can only hope i'm sick and tired of everyone sticking a chatbot on random crap that doesn't need it and has no reason to ever need it. it also made HN a lot less interesting to read