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People disagree, people don't want to deal with ICE maintenance.
by waynesonfire 3y ago
People disagree, people don't want to deal with ICE maintenance.
- bluGill 3y agoYou bring it in for an oil change every few months, that isn't a big deal. Modern ICEs are very reliable in general, and there are many other parts on a car to break that are common to the EV.
- gnicholas 3y agoWho changes their oil every few months?
- smileysteve 3y agoLocations will become more difficult to find once society reaches 30% ev adoption, maybe even less. Much of the 100k mile maintenance programs is because people don't like making the choice.
- gnicholas 3y agoI'm not sure you understood my point. I was pointing out that oil changes are less frequent than this. I take my ICE in once every two years, and my PHEV even less than that. It may be true that when 30% of vehicles are EVs, oil change locations will be hard to find, but I doubt it. Even if dedicated oil change chains cease to exist, people will still need tires, alignment, etc, and those shops will presumably provide oil change services. Regardless, it's going to be a while before 30% of vehicles on the road are EVs — isn't it like 1-2% of new cars sold? If vehicles stay on the road for 20 years, then EVs won't be 30% of the total fleet for a long time.
- Symbiote 3y agoGlobally, 10% of sales are EVs. For the European Union it's 12% and the United States 6%. The EU has a lot of variance (Sweden 32%) and I assume the USA does too. https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adopting-electric-vehicles-fastest https://www.wri.org/insights/countries-adopting-electric-veh... Average car age in the EU is 12 years.
- zzzeek 3y agoYou change your oil once every two years ? Do your cars die at 40k miles ? ICEs in my experience deteriorate pretty rapidly if you keep driving them on dirty oil
- vel0city 3y agoEvery two years for the average US car is like 26,000mi oil change interval. Insane they think an oil change every two years is normal.
- bluGill 3y agoSynthetic oils can do that.
- vel0city 3y agoNo expert is going to suggest any normal car should operate for 26,000mi per oil change. Even modern synthetics and modern engines recommend 7,500 or so miles, and can often be stretched for a bit over 10,000mi, but 26,000mi as a normal interval is way beyond that. My modern car recommends synthetic changes at 7,500 miles by the book. Sending off samples to the labs, it looked good at that point but started to get some bad degradation at about 11,000mi. It would be sludge a little after 15,000mi and would have probably destroyed the engine before 25,000mi
- bluGill 3y agoNot all synthetics can do that of course, but some can. There are people who have gone several hundred thousand miles without an oil change and an oil analysis says they are still good. Oil analysis is about the cost of an oil change for most people and sometimes says change the oil so most people just change the oil. For some it makes sense to do oil analysis.
- vel0city 3y agoPlease show me a single car manual for an ICE advising a 26,000mi oil change interval or any normal motor oil sold advertising its good for 26,000mi. Otherwise you're talking about extremely rare one-off cases where someone's car happened to be in just the right environment and built just perfectly the whole time. I'm not talking about "that one time one guy in a forum five years ago said his car lasted 120,000mi without an oil change", I'm talking about normal advice for normal car drivers.
- smileysteve 3y agoThe stores I get tires from haven't offered auxiliary services for the last decade.
- gnicholas 3y agoAgreed. My point was that the claim that it will become hard to get oil changes is laughable. Even if dedicated shops disappear, other places that offer adjacent services (and have lifts that would make it trivial to do oil changes) would start offering the service.
- vel0city 3y agoIf oil change places start to disappear the cost for an oil change is going to go way up. Just about any shop will give you an oil change today, see how much more expensive they'll charge for their master certified mechanic to change your oil versus the barely trained fresh out of highschool grad that still needs to always stop and say "lefty loosey..." every time they pick up a wrench.
- gnicholas 3y agoI don't follow. You think there won't be barely-trained people working in auto shops? The people who put put on tires and do alignments would be pretty similar to the people who do oil changes. They'll just do oil changes in addition to putting on tires.
- vel0city 3y agoYeah, and go to a shop like that and see their prices compared to the places that only do oil changes. They're usually twice the labor price compared to low cost oil change places in my experience. Even just putting the car on the lift and jacking it up is already more work, requires more training, and has more risk than having someone in the pit at a fast oil change place.
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- smileysteve 3y agoIt's not a big deal, but that doesn't mean people do it.
- zzzeek 3y agoOil changes are a tremendous burden and expense and this is one of my top three reasons, almost the reason, I bought an EV.
- bluGill 3y ago$100 every few months is not what I'd call a tremendous burden. Even dealers when you pay extra for synthetic oil don't charge $100 for an oil change. Quick lube places are all over and are cheaper with no appointment needed.
- jewayne 3y agoA super-minor pain point, to be sure. But one that's just gone for me. That's pretty sweet, imho.
- nullc 3y agoThe EV still requires tire maintenance-- I think the trouble of dealing with that utterly dwarfs oil changes.
- rootusrootus 3y agoIt's one of those things you don't really get until you experience it. No oil changes. No finding a gas station just to refuel. No worrying about whether the engine is warm enough for setting off in the morning. No smell before the cats light off. Instant heat. Instant torque. Dead silent. The list goes on and on. After you get used to it, the idea of going back to ICE again is unfathomable. Why would I want to give up the convenience I have now? For road trips? Ha! I have both ICEV and EV at the moment and it is the EV that is the preferred road trip car, not the ICEV.
- AngryData 3y agoYou actually don't want to wait for your engine to warm up beforehand unless you are going to immediately punch it or go on the highway. Your engine warms up multiple times faster under a light load than it does idling.
- rootusrootus 3y agoSure, but you have to be aware that it's still cold and it affects how you drive. It affects how the car feels. Is it a huge deal? Nope, not by itself. But it's just another one of those anachronistic things you do today that you will chuckle about in the future.