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These things can also happen for unrelated reasons. Things like say, getting drunk and molesting an intern or tossing out racial slurs at say, some important pe

These things can also happen for unrelated reasons. Things like say, getting drunk and molesting an intern or tossing out racial slurs at say, some important person at a giant japanese company, you know, just being an asshole. Especially if it happened more than once. I don't know the guy but nothing can really be assumed about this.

wilg 3y ago
What? Are you implying this happened here? Or just being weird?
- talldatethrow 3y ago
  https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1635704398939832321 https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232...
  - wilg 3y ago
    How is that relevant to the specific things the person I was replying to said?
    - kiririn 3y ago
      Genuinely: how is it not relevant? Posted quite some time ago sure, but paints an interesting picture and the first I've heard of it
      - wilg 3y ago
        What? Because it has nothing to do with "getting drunk and molesting an intern or tossing out racial slurs at say, some important person at a giant japanese company".
        kristopolous 3y ago
        Also I made no claim of anything, just that dismissal can happen for a large variety of reasons. The Arcimoto CEO, for instance, was let go because he couldn't hold his liquor and got a DUI. Brendan Eich got booted from Mozilla for having a political ideology that Mozilla considered a liability. All kinds of reasons. The biggest risk for OpenAI is the public perception that the discretion of ChatGPT can not be trusted. If the CEO is caught using poor discretion, the public will transfer that property to the company's products. For instance, if Tesla could fire Elon Musk, I'm sure they would have by now.
        wilg 3y ago
        That's fine, I was just asking if you were implying particular knowledge about things that happened, because it kinda sounded like it.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        My information here is exactly 0.
    - brvsft 3y ago
      The implication is that this could be the 'unrelated reason', that he lied to the board about sexually assaulting his sister/step-sister/whatever. Of course, I'm not sure who Annie Altman is or how exactly she is related to Sam or if the allegations are true.
- dplavery92 3y ago
  I don't think anyone in this thread knows what happened, but since we're in a thread speculating why the CEO of the leading AI company was suddenly sacked, the possibility of an unacceptable interpersonal scandal isn't any more outlandish than others' suggestions of fraud, legal trouble for OpenAI, or foundering financials. The suggestion here is simply that Altman having done something "big and dangerous" is not a foregone conclusion. In the words of Brandt, "well, Dude, we just don't know."
- kristopolous 3y ago
  No. I'm saying that there's nothing that can be said about these things until information comes forward. It could be business related, finance, personal, whatever. If you need evidence that this is sufficient for dismissal, merely stating that impropriety exists is apparently enough to get my first flag on hn after 12 years.
wmf 3y ago
For example, Mark Hurd was fired from HP because he expensed some non-business-related meals with his mistress or whatever.
KaiserPro 3y ago
I mean yes, but that would require an investigation normally. Something to happen immediately would require overwhelming evidence on hand in the meeting. So it could be something that has been uncovered as part of the due diligence with the MS investment Its more likely to be fabrication of numbers, or misappropriation of funds, rather than something "dramatic" Think musk at paypal being monumentally incompetent, rather than planned misdeeds.
brvsft 3y ago
Flagged without a vouch button. Interesting.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Sam Altman was the CEO of Y-Combinator for 8 years. So even saying the field is wide on what could have happened is apparently super-banned.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    I just posted a link to a Silicon Valley episode on youtube that implies that he fucks a robot, so let's see how that one goes... ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311627 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311627 PDSCodes 27 minutes ago | unvote | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman Turn that on it’s head - was he standing in the way of a commercial sale or agreement with Microsoft! He may not be the villain. But who knows, it feels like an episode of silicon valley! DonHopkins 22 minutes ago | prev | edit | delete [–] I can do anything I want with her - Silicon Valley S5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MPk85tMhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MPk85tMhc >That guy definitely fucks that robot, right? That "handsy greasy little weirdo" Silicon Valley character Ariel and his robot Fiona were obviously based on Ben Goertzel and Sophia, not Sam Altman, though. https://www.reddit.com/r/SiliconValleyHBO/comments/8edbk9/the_character_of_ariel_in_the_current_episode/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SiliconValleyHBO/comments/8edbk9/th... >The character of Ariel in the current episode instantly reminded me of Ben Goertzel, whom i stumbled upon couple of years ago, but did not really paid close attention to his progress. One search later: VIDEO Interview: SingularityNET's Dr Ben Goertzel, robot Sophia and open source AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbltBLaFeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbltBLaFeI
    - kristopolous 3y ago
      I'm sorry, I'm having trouble parsing your intentions here. I was commenting on reasons for dismissal generally and not trying to impune this particular guy's character Swift dismissals are likely motivated more by transgressions than performance but that's where the facts stop for me

wilg 3y ago

What? Are you implying this happened here? Or just being weird?

talldatethrow 3y ago
https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/1635704398939832321 https://twitter.com/phuckfilosophy/status/163570439893983232...
- wilg 3y ago
  How is that relevant to the specific things the person I was replying to said?
  - kiririn 3y ago
    Genuinely: how is it not relevant? Posted quite some time ago sure, but paints an interesting picture and the first I've heard of it
    - wilg 3y ago
      What? Because it has nothing to do with "getting drunk and molesting an intern or tossing out racial slurs at say, some important person at a giant japanese company".
      - kristopolous 3y ago
        Also I made no claim of anything, just that dismissal can happen for a large variety of reasons. The Arcimoto CEO, for instance, was let go because he couldn't hold his liquor and got a DUI. Brendan Eich got booted from Mozilla for having a political ideology that Mozilla considered a liability. All kinds of reasons. The biggest risk for OpenAI is the public perception that the discretion of ChatGPT can not be trusted. If the CEO is caught using poor discretion, the public will transfer that property to the company's products. For instance, if Tesla could fire Elon Musk, I'm sure they would have by now.
        wilg 3y ago
        That's fine, I was just asking if you were implying particular knowledge about things that happened, because it kinda sounded like it.
        kristopolous 3y ago
        My information here is exactly 0.
  - brvsft 3y ago
    The implication is that this could be the 'unrelated reason', that he lied to the board about sexually assaulting his sister/step-sister/whatever. Of course, I'm not sure who Annie Altman is or how exactly she is related to Sam or if the allegations are true.
dplavery92 3y ago
I don't think anyone in this thread knows what happened, but since we're in a thread speculating why the CEO of the leading AI company was suddenly sacked, the possibility of an unacceptable interpersonal scandal isn't any more outlandish than others' suggestions of fraud, legal trouble for OpenAI, or foundering financials. The suggestion here is simply that Altman having done something "big and dangerous" is not a foregone conclusion. In the words of Brandt, "well, Dude, we just don't know."
kristopolous 3y ago
No. I'm saying that there's nothing that can be said about these things until information comes forward. It could be business related, finance, personal, whatever. If you need evidence that this is sufficient for dismissal, merely stating that impropriety exists is apparently enough to get my first flag on hn after 12 years.

wmf 3y ago

For example, Mark Hurd was fired from HP because he expensed some non-business-related meals with his mistress or whatever.

KaiserPro 3y ago

I mean yes, but that would require an investigation normally. Something to happen immediately would require overwhelming evidence on hand in the meeting. So it could be something that has been uncovered as part of the due diligence with the MS investment Its more likely to be fabrication of numbers, or misappropriation of funds, rather than something "dramatic" Think musk at paypal being monumentally incompetent, rather than planned misdeeds.

brvsft 3y ago

Flagged without a vouch button. Interesting.

kristopolous 3y ago
Sam Altman was the CEO of Y-Combinator for 8 years. So even saying the field is wide on what could have happened is apparently super-banned.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  I just posted a link to a Silicon Valley episode on youtube that implies that he fucks a robot, so let's see how that one goes... ;) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311627 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311627 PDSCodes 27 minutes ago | unvote | parent | context | flag | favorite | on: OpenAI's board has fired Sam Altman Turn that on it’s head - was he standing in the way of a commercial sale or agreement with Microsoft! He may not be the villain. But who knows, it feels like an episode of silicon valley! DonHopkins 22 minutes ago | prev | edit | delete [–] I can do anything I want with her - Silicon Valley S5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MPk85tMhc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29MPk85tMhc >That guy definitely fucks that robot, right? That "handsy greasy little weirdo" Silicon Valley character Ariel and his robot Fiona were obviously based on Ben Goertzel and Sophia, not Sam Altman, though. https://www.reddit.com/r/SiliconValleyHBO/comments/8edbk9/the_character_of_ariel_in_the_current_episode/ https://www.reddit.com/r/SiliconValleyHBO/comments/8edbk9/th... >The character of Ariel in the current episode instantly reminded me of Ben Goertzel, whom i stumbled upon couple of years ago, but did not really paid close attention to his progress. One search later: VIDEO Interview: SingularityNET's Dr Ben Goertzel, robot Sophia and open source AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbltBLaFeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKbltBLaFeI
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    I'm sorry, I'm having trouble parsing your intentions here. I was commenting on reasons for dismissal generally and not trying to impune this particular guy's character Swift dismissals are likely motivated more by transgressions than performance but that's where the facts stop for me